I noticed that [[NSApp iconWindow] frame] seems to work correctly running with 
UseWindowMakerIcons NO,
but when running with UseWindowMakerIcons YES, the frame tends to consistantly return 
0,0,64,64 and the window delegate never gets a windowDidMove notification and running 
xprop -spy on it seems awfully quiet
anyone have any ideas on obtaining such information?

Matt


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