Hans Aberg wrote:
On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:23, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
That's what Graham is trying to do. He voluntarily does a huge job on
both this task
and the document revisions, all on his spare time.
He said that he did not know much about the internals. So the suggestion
is to have somebody with that hekping out, which he already noticed.
There is nobody who knows more about the internals than me who has the
time to help out. And I only spend about two hours a week on the bugs.
There is a *critical* shortage of volunteers -- be they developers,
documenters, website maintainers, whatever -- in lilypond.
Please don't feel insulted by his
comments on non-minimal examples. The next time you submit a bug
report, I'm
sure you will spend a few more minutes yourself first.
Don't you think folks might find it insulting, as you essentially do,
saying they should spend more time doing something they can't do simply
because they do not have the information?
The "bugs" website is intended to do that. I apologize again for not
sending you that link.
If you have any suggestions for improving those suggestions, please tell
me. You already suggested removing the \paper{ ragged-right=##t} line;
as Mats replied, this line is easy to copy&paste, and if somebody
forgets it I add it myself anyway.
As for the real hints, I honestly think that "remove anything
unnecessary" is the best I can do. I could easily write a 1000-word
essay about how to remove unnecessary items in bug reports... but nobody
would read it. I estimate that by now I've spent three hours working on
that measly webpage, trying to find the perfect balance between brevity
and wit... err, I mean "compactness and explanations". Still, it's
possible that adding one more bullet point might clarify something; I'm
not perfect.
Once somebody fails to produce a minimal example for the second time, I
will general create one myself, precisely as I did in this case. But I
definitely want people to read the webpage and attempt to make a minimal
example on their own first.
It was great when Graham said
that "this or that might not be needed, please try reduce it a bit
further". If you work on a bit more interaction, then you should be able
to get people to help out more.
... and I go back to spending 20 hours a week on lilypond, instead of
_trying_ to spend only 10 hours on lilypond.
For reference, my paid Teaching Assistant work -- which my academic
advisor keeps on complaining about, since it means that I'm not working
on my Masters thesis -- is 12 hours a week. And I actually get money
from that non-academic-career-furthering work. Do you have any idea how
many conference paper I could publish if I spent 20 hours a week working
on them? I might even be able to get some grants or scholarships!
Again, I apologize for not sending you the link. But I will not spend
any more time and energy on lilypond than I am already. If that means
that the bugs suffer, so be it. I'm doing more than enough already.
- Graham
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