Bob: I think that's sensible; I did not know the mirrors were sanctioned, and so believed linking to the torrent sites would be equivalent in that sense.
Theo: I have not expressed the suggestion ideally, I think. It was not a suggestion for my benefit, I do not use torrents, but for the benefit of your audience generally. Also, sanctioning torrents gives users a way to contribute back to the project by seeding/mirroring. This would reduce load on OpenBSD mirrors, and it has a positive impact on contributors: those who invest their own resources will view the project in a better light and are substantially more likely to escalate their efforts to greater contributions. Although I failed to couch it adequately, arguably my suggestion is of the "do more ... to help yourself" variety. Perhaps in future a more constructive frankness, to those who take the time to write suggestions about ways to improve the OpenBSD efforts, could be to identify areas needing work, ask for assistance, or offer a way to contribute (on the proposed "do more" suggestion or in other areas where you are feeling tapped). In any case, I leave it in your good hands. Cheers On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Theo de Raadt <[email protected]>wrote: > And to be quite frank Brian, > > this "you guys should do more" balony is annoying. > > We do enough. Period. > > > Really, if the project is not operating them I don't think we should > > be sanctioning any sort of third party site, or somehow adding some > > sort of legitimacy to it by suggesting people go there, or cranking up > > the page rank of some torrent site by linking it. > > > > We link the stuff the project sanctions and which works from the > > install media - just my two cents. Every other crazy means of > > distribution is Caveat Emptor IMO. > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Brian Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you Theo. > > > > > > As an alternative to operating the torrents, perhaps it might be > convenient > > > for users if the OpenBSD page linked to those who provide torrents, > and as > > > you note, mentioning the need and method to verify the media. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Theo de Raadt <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > >> > It would be quite nice if the OpenBSD releases were available via a > > >> Torrent. > > >> > > >> There are people who do that. I don't think the OpenBSD Project > needs to > > >> operate them. Now that things are signed, the situation has changed. > > >> > > >> You really should figure out a way to verify the bootable media you > > >> download. See http://www.openbsd.org/55.html's note about signify > > >> to figure out how. > > >> > > >> That applies to any download service. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *from the personal email account of:* > > > > > > > > > *Brian Hunt* <[email protected]> > > > > > > Mobile: +1.289.684.4677 > > > > > > This e-mail may contain information that is private, privileged, > > > confidential and/or exempt from disclosure. No waiver of any kind is > > > intended by sending this e-mail, and this email is intended only for > the > > > named recipient(s). Use, dissemination or copying without > authorization is > > > prohibited. Please notify the sender and destroy all copies of this > e-mail > > > if you have received this email in error. > > > > -- *from the personal email account of:* *Brian Hunt* <[email protected]> Mobile: +1.289.684.4677 This e-mail may contain information that is private, privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure. Except as per this notice no waiver of any kind is intended by sending this e-mail, and this email is intended only for the named recipient(s) or the subscribers of a forwarding service the email is sent directly to and to which service you are an authorized recipient. Use, dissemination or copying without authorization is prohibited. Please notify the sender and destroy all copies of this e-mail if you have received this email in error.
