Marko,

The software comes without warranty, and you don't get to yell at
developers about what they should do.

Maybe Linux does what you want?


Marko Cupać <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:07:59 +0100
> Claudio Jeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > You changed the FS type from the default used by the installer and
> > expect us to document for this case?
> 
> Oh, I see. So, what's next? "You changed mediaopt in hostname.if from
> default used by the installer and expect us to support it, or to
> document it once we don't support it anymore?"
> 
> > You have it reverse. Where in the
> > documentation does OpenBSD tell you that using a MFS mounted /var is
> > perfectly OK and will not cause any trouble?
> 
> More than a decade of using it in such way without any problems
> whatsoever told me it used to be perfectly OK. Now you are telling me
> it was undesired feature which has to be taken away?
> 
> > You ripped off the warranty sticker
> 
> I have always despised warranty stickers, and they were always first
> thing to be ripped off my stuff. I am sad to see you, of all people (I
> have deep respect for your work on OpenBSD) pulling this wording.
> 
> > by using a non persistent file
> > system for a partition that includes things like:
> >                 backups/   Miscellaneous backup files.
> >                 db/        Miscellaneous, automatically generated
> >                            system- specific database files.
> >                 sysmerge/  Checksum files and reference sets for
> >                            sysmerge(8).
> >                 syspatch/  Rollback tarballs
> >                            and patch files for syspatch(8).
> 
> I have enough understanding of administering OpenBSD to know the
> importance of those partitions. I also know how and when to sync them to
> persistent storage, and to pull them out of there while mounting them
> as mfs's.
> 
> > It should be fairly clear that these directories should not sit on a
> > file system that loses all changes on reboot or powerloss.
> 
> It is crystal clear to me what happens to these directories on reboot
> or powerloss, mfs or ufs or nfs or a few other fs's. Does OpenBSD
> nowadays optimise for lowest common denominator?
> 
> > Guess it has to be done to protect us from people like you.
> 
> Right, "you're with us or you're against us". I almost feel honoured to
> hear "people like me" are a threat to "you", against which protective
> measures need to be taken.
> 
> Anyway, for those who still need to syspatch their mfs'd setups, I've
> updated my article with workaround description, and whole install
> procedure and patching procedure will be ready by the end of next week.
> People interested in this thread probably know where to find it.
> 
> -- 
> Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
> After  enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
> 
> Marko Cupać
> https://www.mimar.rs/
> 

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