On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:41:17 +0000
Edd Barrett <e...@theunixzoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 11:17:01AM +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > btw the problem was seen with umb, it's not just ugen.  
> 
> From mglocker@'s explanation, I understood that it is the ugen driver
> trying to attach to some part of the device that in turn hoses umb for
> the same device?
> 
> Maybe I misunderstood.

That's right.  ugen(4) tries to attach to another umb(4) interface,
then fails, and labels the whole umb(4) device dying.  I don't know if
all umb(4) devices show this behaviour (I don't have such a device).
But the other thing I was thinking about is whether we should make
umb(4) attach to this other interface as well to prevent ugen(4) to
take control.

> > At some point you just have to say "this device is broken crap, send
> > it back or ebay it and buy an alternative". This is much easier for
> > some classes of device where there are many alternatives (like
> > audio interfaces) than mobile broadband where it's still very
> > difficult to find something suitable with the correct physical
> > interface.  
> 
> Yes, I'm starting to lean in this direction too.
> 
> The only other solution would be to have some kind of quirks system,
> but I don't think that'd be perfect either: I bet some (different)
> devices share vendor and device IDs...

Well.  I think there are a lot of USB device with all kind of
non-compliant USB configurations.  That's why I personally think
spending too much efforts here, trying to make the right thing, isn't
worth it. You will fix something, and then break something else IMO.

I would rather focus on getting as much devices possible supported
without breaking others.  Just as we did now :-)

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