> On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Jonathan Gibbons <jonathan.gibb...@oracle.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Staffan,
> 
> That seems to put it on the low end for reasonably being its own repo, if you 
> wanted that, at least, as indicated by the numbers.

Do we really want more repositories?

> 
> Here's the file counts for where we are now
> 
> corba 1192
> hotspot 4761
> jaxp 2883
> jaxws 3748
> jdk 22776
> langtools 6785
> 
> -- Jon
> 
> On 12/02/2014 02:27 PM, Staffan Friberg wrote:
>> Hi Jon,
>> 
>> As part of the initial set of benchmarks we hope to add as part of this JEP 
>> I'm guessing it will be around 200-300 files. This would grow overtime, but 
>> I believe we won't see tens of thousands of files, it is more likely it will 
>> be something like a 1000 files.
>> 
>> //Staffan
>> 
>> On 12/02/2014 02:14 PM, Jonathan Gibbons wrote:
>>> Staffan,
>>> 
>>> I would also ask how many files are eventually likely to be involved.
>>> 
>>> If it's tens of files up to low hundreds, then a top level dir makes sense.
>>> 
>>> If it's tens of thousands of files, then a separate repo makes more sense.
>>> 
>>> -- Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/02/2014 02:08 PM, Staffan Friberg wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>> 
>>>> Agree, there is no major reason this needs to be a new repository, as I 
>>>> mentioned in the 3 options below it would work well without it. The main 
>>>> thing I want to achieve is that the benchmarks are located on the top 
>>>> level. The suite will contain benchmarks for all parts of the JDK so 
>>>> having it in either jdk or hotspot doesn't feel like it makes sense. If 
>>>> people agree on having it as folder in the top level JDK repository I'm 
>>>> perfectly fine with that.
>>>> 
>>>> As for building it will most likely not be of the general build process 
>>>> for building the JDK (do not want to increase the compilation time for 
>>>> anyone not requiring the benchmark suite). It would have its own target 
>>>> 'build-microbenchmark' which would depend on 'exploded-image', but not the 
>>>> reverse.
>>>> 
>>>> //Staffan
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/02/2014 01:23 PM, Chris Hegarty wrote:
>>>>> Staffan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having all the benchmarks located in a single place makes sense to me, 
>>>>> but this doesn’t necessarily mean that they need their own repository, in 
>>>>> the forest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I can build, run, and test ( usual development cycle ) without any 
>>>>> dependency on these benchmarks, or their infrastructure, essential 
>>>>> working with a partial forest ( without the ‘benchmark’ repository ), 
>>>>> then I can see the possible value in having a separate repository ( so I 
>>>>> can skip cloning and updating it ). But, I’m not sure if that is a 
>>>>> reasonable justification for a new repository, as it is probably at odds 
>>>>> with your goals, or maybe not?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Dec 2014, at 19:53, Staffan Friberg <staffan.frib...@oracle.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (Adding the jdk9-dev list to increase the visibility of the discussion)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the multiple sub-repository commit mechanism improved I believe 
>>>>>> this might be less of an issue. JPRT can push JDK and HS changes at 
>>>>>> together and the same functionality should be possible to use for this 
>>>>>> as well. I wonder if the test issue earlier was that it was a completely 
>>>>>> separate repository outside of the JDK forest, and less of an issue when 
>>>>>> being part of the same forest as the JDK source code. Perhaps someone 
>>>>>> from SQE can chime?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Otherwise the main reason for having a separate sub-repository on the 
>>>>>> top level is making it easier to find what benchmarks are available and 
>>>>>> have a single place to add new once avoid any risk of name duplication. 
>>>>>> JMH is superb in filtering during execution during runtime so running 
>>>>>> just a single test or a group of tests is very straight forward and the 
>>>>>> recommended way, rather than having multiple benchmark JARs. It also 
>>>>>> makes the build process easier as the building can be done using a 
>>>>>> single Makefile and a single benchmark JAR (actually two, one for JDK 8 
>>>>>> compatible tests and one for JDK 9) that can be picked up by automatic 
>>>>>> performance testing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Staffan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/02/2014 06:48 AM, roger riggs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Staffan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> An earlier issue was keeping tests in sync with the code under test, 
>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>> the use of test directories within each repository.
>>>>>>> I think a structure in which the benchmarks for some function and the 
>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>> itself are in the same repository that is easier to understand and 
>>>>>>> maintain.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> $.02, Roger
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/1/2014 7:08 PM, Staffan Friberg wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hopefully this is the right list for this discussion.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As part of adding Microbenchmarks to the OpenJDK source tree, I'm 
>>>>>>>> trying to understand how we best would add the benchmark sources to 
>>>>>>>> the existing OpenJDK tree structure.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Since the microbenchmark suite will cover all parts of the JDK, 
>>>>>>>> covering HotSpot, JDK libraries and Nashorn, it would be preferred to 
>>>>>>>> add the microbenchmark directory as a new top level directory. 
>>>>>>>> Something similar to the following structure. Having "benchmark" as 
>>>>>>>> the top-level directory would allow us to later add different types of 
>>>>>>>> benchmarks without colliding with the microbenchmark suite.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <openjdk-root>/
>>>>>>>>   benchmark/microbenchmark/...
>>>>>>>>   hotspot/...
>>>>>>>>   jdk/...
>>>>>>>>   nashorn/...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With this as the premise I can see the following 3 options for how 
>>>>>>>> this could be added to the source code layout
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1. Part of jdk-root repository
>>>>>>>>     * Only makes sense if we want to move in a direction with fewer
>>>>>>>>       trees (and eventually a single tree)
>>>>>>>> 2. Part of another already existing tree
>>>>>>>>     * Not sure if this is possible without converting and moving the
>>>>>>>>       directory to a subdirectory of that tree
>>>>>>>> 3. New tree in the forest/tree structure
>>>>>>>>     * Most logical option as it follows the current setup and structure
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyone have any comments and/or concerns on the suggested directory 
>>>>>>>> location and the tree structure in option 3.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Would the build-dev team be the right group to later help setup a new 
>>>>>>>> tree if decided to be the right way to go?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Staffan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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