On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Jake Farrell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Om, Herve > What action are you specifically trying to achieve with the role you are > referring to as 'maintainer' ? > Things like setting up builds which require more than just the Jenkins web interface, kill stuck jobs, restart machines are required. Add, upgrade/downgrade plugins as required, etc. > > With the jenkins-admin karma you have you are able to look at jenkins > tickets that are in the infrastructure backlog and close them out or you > can answering questions on the builds@ list that people have. Just like > any other Apache project karma is earned and not just given. This is > probably a better link explaining how to volunteer than the wiki link for > jenkins > It does not appear as if there are folks looking at this mailing list to evaluate how good a job I am doing here. I would like to know how many admins are actually involved with administering Jenkins. With machines being offline for days together, build issues not being fixed for weeks together, I dont think there are many admins around here. Am I wrong? Who am I supposed to impress with my work so that I get admin access? Is it just you? > > http://apache.org/dev/infra-volunteer.html#assist > This link has no mention of Jenkins administration. > > Your offer to help is truly appreciated, we are always looking for people > to step up and help. We are happy to answer any questions you have, either > via this mailing list or you can find us on freenode in #asfinfra > > -Jake > > > Thanks, Om > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Jake, >> >> Just to be clear, we want to get a 'maintainer' account so we can help >> out with maintaining Jenkins. >> I already have an 'Admin' account, but I can only do limited things via >> the web console. >> >> The FAQ page you mentioned does not have this information. >> >> Thanks, >> Om >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> > > thanks again for volunteering, appreciate the help >>> was this an april's fool? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Hervé >>> >>> Le mercredi 2 avril 2014 02:34:04 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : >>> > Hi Jake, >>> > >>> > this page doesn't tell anything about volunteering, and seems not >>> really >>> > updated: >>> > >>> > - on "FAQ For PMCs" side, there is a list of Jenkins admins that seems >>> > really not accurate >>> > >>> http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins#Who_maintains_the_Jenkins_servers.3F >>> > >>> > - on "FAQ For Administrators" side, the svn link "more info on >>> > administering" seems not updated >>> > >>> > I personnally updated the page with as much recent info as I could, >>> like >>> > crius change, but never got feed back nor found who knows more accurate >>> > info (like which slave can be administered by who, since it seems that >>> > Windows nodes for example are not like Ubuntu, or Hadoop or Lucene). >>> > >>> > So the question remains: how do we sign up? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Hervé >>> > >>> > Le mardi 1 avril 2014 03:03:03 Jake Farrell a écrit : >>> > > Please see http://wiki.apache.org/general/Jenkins for details on the >>> > > process, thanks again for volunteering, appreciate the help >>> > > >>> > > -Jake >>> > > >>> > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:24 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala >>> > >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > > > On Mar 31, 2014 11:15 PM, "Jake Farrell" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > Hey Om >>> > > > > You are right, talk is cheap. being an admin on any one of the >>> systems >>> > > > >>> > > > that >>> > > > >>> > > > > we run is more than maintaining your pet project and more about >>> > > > > providing >>> > > > > reliable systems for all of our projects to use. I'm sorry that >>> your >>> > > > > project is experiencing a problem with one of our systems. There >>> is an >>> > > > >>> > > > open >>> > > > >>> > > > > issue for this currently, INFRA-7488, and it has been assigned >>> and is >>> > > > >>> > > > being >>> > > > >>> > > > > worked on and it is understood that this is a pain point that >>> needs to >>> > > > > be >>> > > > > addressed for Apache Flex. We appreciate your understanding as >>> we work >>> > > > > through all of the open issues that we face and if you are >>> interested >>> > > > > we >>> > > > > are always looking for volunteers who are willing to step up and >>> help. >>> > > > >>> > > > I already volunteered to help. I volunteer again. How do I sign >>> up? >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks, >>> > > > Om >>> > > > >>> > > > > Thanks again for your patience in this >>> > > > > -Jake >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:06 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala < >>> > > > >>> > > > [email protected] >>> > > > >>> > > > >wrote: >>> > > > > > Hervé, >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Thanks for bringing this issue up. I second everything you >>> said. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Having a good build system is essential for a project's >>> success. I >>> > > > > > am >>> > > > >>> > > > sure >>> > > > >>> > > > > > the ASF realises this, which is why they have invested in all >>> the >>> > > > >>> > > > hardware >>> > > > >>> > > > > > on which the build systems run. But it is of really no use to >>> us >>> > > > >>> > > > because >>> > > > >>> > > > > > there is no one around to actively maintain and provide >>> support for >>> > > > > > it. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > I know that the admins are volunteers and that they have a >>> real life >>> > > > > > as >>> > > > > > well. But, I am a volunteer too. Every week I get only a few >>> hours >>> > > > > > to >>> > > > > > spare working on my choice of an open source project. But I >>> often >>> > > > > > have >>> > > > >>> > > > to >>> > > > >>> > > > > > end up trying to fix a broken build on a server on which I >>> don't >>> > > > > > have >>> > > > >>> > > > real >>> > > > >>> > > > > > access to, that nobody wants to provide support. No one >>> responds to >>> > > > > > emails. There is very little reaction to JIRA tickets. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Again, talk is cheap. I am here to offer my time to fix the >>> builds >>> > > > >>> > > > issues >>> > > > >>> > > > > > so that at least my project of choice (Apache Flex) benefits >>> from >>> > > > > > it. >>> > > > >>> > > > If I >>> > > > >>> > > > > > have additional time, I can help out with other build issues as >>> > > > > > well. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > What does it take to become an admin for Jenkins builds at the >>> ASF? >>> > > > >>> > > > What >>> > > > >>> > > > > > does it take for the current admins to take notice and realize >>> that >>> > > > >>> > > > this is >>> > > > >>> > > > > > a real problem? >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Thanks, >>> > > > > > Om >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > On Mar 30, 2014 4:47 AM, "Hervé BOUTEMY" < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > Hi, >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Like many people in ASF projects, I need a good CI service: >>> > > > > > > Jenkins >>> > > > >>> > > > is a >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > good >>> > > > > > > tool, then I expected ASF Jenkins farm to give a good >>> service. >>> > > > > > > That's >>> > > > >>> > > > not >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > case for a few monthes (no pun intended). >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Then I'm trying to help by reporting problems, updating >>> > > > > > > documentation >>> > > > >>> > > > on >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > wiki >>> > > > > > > page, trying to answer to people on the list who face same >>> > > > > > > problems >>> > > > >>> > > > than >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > me, >>> > > > > > > ping people able to do something (trying not to upset them). >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > From these monthes, I only saw few Jenkins admins working on >>> > > > >>> > > > problems, >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > always >>> > > > > > > the same 2 or 3 (not all on the wiki page). But they seem to >>> have >>> > > > >>> > > > little >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > time >>> > > > > > > to fix immediate issues. And I don't see any plan for fixing >>> > > > >>> > > > recurring >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > problems, >>> > > > > > > apart from master machine change in january: maybe I'm not >>> on the >>> > > > >>> > > > right >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > list, >>> > > > > > > maybe there is nothing done. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm ready to give time on this service. But I need to know >>> how to >>> > > > >>> > > > engage >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > people interested in recurring problems, discuss plans to >>> improve >>> > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > service. >>> > > > > > > Having admin rights on the farm can help, but without >>> discussion >>> > > > > > > with >>> > > > >>> > > > the >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > Jenkins farm admins team to decrypt problems and choose a >>> > > > > > > concerted >>> > > > > > > solution, >>> > > > > > > that will only do half of a solution (better than nothing) >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Please let me know how to help to get a better service. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards, >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Hervé >>> >>> >> >
