Folks,
For the purpose of giving another view, I will give all of you a link.
http://www.discovery.org/
Intelligent design is a field of scientific reasoning that examines the
evidence and asks whether it could have come about by chance. The
formation of new species requires new genetic information. The
information has to be helpful to the organism and not harmful.
Intelligent design does not identify the designer, which could be God,
or little green men from Andromeda. It merely demonstrates that new
genetic information cannot come about by random chance. People who
adhere to this viewpoint come from all religious perspectives.
It is said that mutation provides new genetic information that will
result in the development of new species. I am still looking for one
example of a mutation that did anything more than modify an existing
species. Most of the time, mutations are harmful.
I hope people will examine all sides of the question. Keep in mind that
everyone who approaches this question does so with a worldview and a set
of presuppositions. The worldview and presuppositions of many scientific
creationists is not concealed in any way, but evolutionists also have a
worldview and a set of presuppositions. There is nothing wrong with
having this; we have to have a framework on which to base our reasoning.
The important thing is to be open about what yours is.
People have recommended Dawkins to me on several occasions. I have not
been impressed with Dawkins for lots of reasons, and I have discovered
not all evolutionists are impressed with him, either. One of the major
problems I have is his virulent hostility toward anyone who disagrees
with him, especially on the topic of religion.
If any of you want to discuss this with me privately, feel free to email
me directly. I will be happy to go into more detail.
Pat Goltz
Kunte, Krushnamegh wrote:
Thanks, Vishnu. I am glad that it wasn’t just Pat and I who were
reading our emails. I hope that our exchange has helped a little bit,
and that at least some of you will read on in books, wikipedia and
other sources.
Krushnamegh.
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*From: *Vishnu Pk <[email protected]>
*Reply-To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]>
*Date: *Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:09:20 -0500
*To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [ButterflyIndia] kk and pat discussion
Thanks Krushnamegh and Pat,
I have been following this thread eagerly, eventhough i didn`t
understand the terms much.But i shall look them up elsewhere.But in my
view this discussion was and would be interesting and not entirely out
of scope of this forum.
Cheers,
Vishnu
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*From:* "Kunte, Krushnamegh" <[email protected]>
*To:* butterflyindia <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Sun, January 9, 2011 8:50:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [ButterflyIndia] kk and pat discussion
Ashwin, I am glad to see some interest in these subjects as well. For
starters, I would recommend reading Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene.
This book explains many basic concepts in evolutionary biology
lucidly. It was written for non-biologists with college degrees, so
this should be easily accessible for most people on this group.
I do want to start writing articles on biology for non-scientists
keenly interested in organism-level biology, ecology, evolution,
genetics and conservation. Perhaps I will use such discussion threads
as inspiration to write articles on these subjects in the future.
Cheers,
Krushnamegh.
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*From: *Ashwin Baindur <[email protected]>
*Reply-To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]>
*Date: *Sun, 9 Jan 2011 07:39:41 -0500
*To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]>
*Subject: *Re: [ButterflyIndia] kk and pat discussion
Hi Krushnamegh,
Please do not stop such discussions on this group because all of us
cannot immediately comprehend it. This presents us with "stretch" to
motivate us to learn more and rise up in knowledge levels. Today, the
world of buttefly science has humungous amounts of this kind of
genetic stuff.
So the right thing to do is as Nelson requests - please provide a
simple explanation and point us to a few resources so we can all
understand this subject. At the very least point us to the relevant
articles on Wikipedia.
I have absolutely no objection to the discussion taking place because
it has now motivated me to learn more about this. Hox genes are new to
me and almost immediately I came across it in again while rereading
Bill Bryson's A Short History of Everything. If it is in that book,
then it is obviously something we should expect a reasonably well
informed person (who aspires to like science) to know.
My only point is please rename the discussion in such cases. The topic
was an attempt to bring forth a serious subject up for discussion and
the evolution discussion should have redirected to another thread.
Warm regards,
*Ashwin Baindur
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*From:* Kishen Das <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Sun, 9 January, 2011 5:34:54
*Subject:* Re: [ButterflyIndia] kk and pat discussion
As long as we stick to biology, we should be fine.
Initially I was afraid that it will be an evolution vs creationism
argument, but very glad that its not !!!
Once in a while its ok to indulge into topics related to evolution.
Kishen
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Kunte, Krushnamegh
<[email protected]> wrote:
Nelson, I agree that this was a bit too outside the circle of
things that we discuss on this group. But there is Wikipedia if
you want to know about these terms and concepts. Pat’s last email
took it away from butterflies, so I won’t write about it on the
group any more, anyway.
With best wishes,
Krushnamegh.
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*From: *Nelson Rodrigues <[email protected]
<http://[email protected]/> >
*Reply-To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]
<http://[email protected]/> >
*Date: *Sat, 8 Jan 2011 01:59:59 -0500
*To: *butterflyindia <[email protected]
<http://[email protected]/> >
*Subject: *[ButterflyIndia] kk and pat discussion
pardon me for being an ignoramus, but what the stuff you are
discussing
is going way above my head , can someone simplify it for me please
nelson rodrigues
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