What is the actual dB/S unit differential of the band noise when you AB switch? 
   

 

Other things to consider……time of day……gain of dipole versus vertical…….dipole 
height above ground……difference of angle of radiation of the major lobes on 
both antennas on 20 Mx……direction of dipole’s the major lobes on 20 MX – 80 
meter antenna on 20 meters (4 half waves) has selective gain.……”domestic”  
close-in contacts(compared with DX) -- leaning toward NVIS, but not quite 
there…compared to noise source location.

 

So, map the “domestic” stations you have worked to test this…..maybe they fall 
within a certain range where the dipole is better and the vertical either skips 
over them.

 

Model both and get a big picture view of the differentials.

 

Your note promotes one of my main philosophies of owning an antenna farm….it is 
good to have one, but much better to have 2 of different characteristics so you 
can switch – “diversity trans-ceiving”.

 

JM $.02……Rick – W5RH

 

From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Rapp via BVARC
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:52 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>
Cc: Michael Rapp <[email protected]>
Subject: [BVARC] Why is my dipole quieter than my vertical?

 

Hey all,

 

Now that I have multiple antennas up, it is interesting to compare them.  For 
nearly four years now, my wire vertical (30 radials) has been my workhorse 
antenna.  This past July I also put up an inverted-V multi-band dipole, cut for 
80 meters and fed with 450 ohm line.  The apex is about 20 feet up.

 

One thing that I've noticed is that, especially on 20 meters, my dipole is 
quieter than my vertical (which is cut for that band).  When I say quieter I 
mean that when using an A-B switch the volume of the background noise is 
quieter on the dipole.  I began to wonder is it just the noise or is it the 
noise and the signals being attenuated on the dipole?

 

With the little equipment and knowledge that I have, doing an objective test is 
challenging.  I've been using JT65 as it gives fairly objective signal reports. 
 Being very careful to keep the net sound card level input the same between 
antennas, it appears that for domestic signals on the dipole I can consistently 
decode down to about -27 dB whereas on the vertical I seem to be only able to 
consistently decode down to -22 dB.

 

This seems to suggest that the signal-to-noise ratio of the dipole is better 
than that of the vertical, which suggests that the dipole is less sensitive to 
noise -- unwanted signals -- than the vertical.

 

Why would this be?     

 

What I've been able to research/Google has been confusing.  Some suggest that 
it is because most noise sources are vertical polarized.  (Are they?)  Others 
suggest that because half of my vertical antenna is in the ground (the radials) 
this does...something... to make it more susceptible to noise.  And others 
point to the dipole having a little bit of directivity contributing to its 
nulling out, probably by coincidence, some of my noise sources.


 

73,

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/*/-=[Michael / KT5MR]-=/*/

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