Most galvanic corrosion problems on ships are caused by poor or badly installed AC systems. All ships must be installed with a floating or isolated neutral. Failure to do this will cause lots of corrosion. Many times electrical contractors or DYI unfamiliar with marine wiring will wire a boat causing this problem. Galvanic isolators or isolation transformers can also be use to further prevent problems. The radio install, with VHF is no problem as it does not need a (earth) ground to reference. An HF radio does, and can be achived in several ways as long as it does not defeat the AC grounding (or isolation of it) of the boat. Robert KD5YVQ
From: BVARC [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leslie Bartosh via BVARC Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:46 PM To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]> Cc: Leslie Bartosh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BVARC] marine radio installation Thank you Michael: I think, the only passengers that go out are the volunteers during day sails. But, it is definitely something to pass on the Elissa folks. 73 Leslie, ad5wb _____ From: Michael Monsour via BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: Leslie Bartosh <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: Michael Monsour <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [BVARC] marine radio installation These days a GROL which used to be known as a 1st/2nd class RadioTelephone license is only necessary for aircraft and marine installations. A marine radar installation has to be done by someone with a radar endorsement. Additionally the GMDSS operators/maintainers licenses may also be necessary for a radio installation. If the Tall Ship ever takes on passengers, that might trigger more stringent requiements. Michael Monsour On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Leslie Bartosh via BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Thank you Jon: I will freely admit I am out of my element in hf maritime installations, especially in this case where we are dealing with an antique ship. I am really trying to find someone who can do the job. They are willing to pay for the service. I am just trying to the leg work for them. They will ultimately want vhf, hf and perhaps radar installed. Thank you once again. 73 Leslie, ad5wb _____ From: Jon Livingston kb0mnm via BVARC <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "BVARC, GMuller885---" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [BVARC] marine radio installation I have done some work with marine radio installation on fresh-water vessels and also have insights for salt-water. 1. Fresh-water VHF is a snap( I agree ). Simply use a well-waterproofed thick metallic plate of at least 18" by 24" for a ground-plane below a standard NMO heavy-duty constructed antenna. My favorite was a left-over mounting plate for G.E. radios that you might see at hamfests. While this works for 5/8 wave antennas near 2 meter frequencies ( actually, we were a bit higher for public safety & marine ), the quarter-wave antennas with good bandwidth ( eg. Maxrad coil ) seemed to last longer. Use heavy-gauge DC cabling ( think welding cable ) for longer runs and go back to the DC source. This keeps the voltage drop low, so the radio is not 'starved'. 2. HF installations do require some sort of ground plane also. You will always need a 'difference' between elements, yet the 'ground' side does not have to actually contact the water. The problem is that as the hull moves, any 'artificial ground' is moved in relation to that. Do not be fooled by ads for 'artificial ground' products, some do not work with transmit ( yet are fine for receive ). 3. Salt water power sources very often used to involve frequencies other than 60 hz. Do not 'guess' or contract the word assume that if the voltage is correct, you can connect a standard amateur radio. You may be able to charge batteries and then run an inverter, yet the cheaper inverters tend to make noise on the lower frequencies which are best for worldwide communications. 4. New 'Copperweld' wire typically is stronger due to stainless or other than copper core. The stuff you can buy anywhere ( all copper ) has a tendency to droop. Any place where you mate dis-similar ( different ) metals, corrosion is accelerated. It is also accelerated by salt water. Chemicals such as are used to make aluminum to copper hookups for stoves and dryers in households can slow this yet may not tolerate heat and salt for long. Where you actually want to preserve iron, there are alloys used in hot water-heater heaters for the 'sacrificial' anode. I hope that all helps. More experienced amateurs, feel free to 'correct' or improve the above. 73 KB0MNM Tech. for MnDOT assisting DNR, AT2-USN-USS Midway ( CV-41) ret. 1987 _____ From: "Leslie via BVARC" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: "SETX Telecom" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , "BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [BVARC] marine radio installation Thank you. I will do so. On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:23 AM, SETX Telecom <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I've done marine radio work in the past...HF is s special art on boats requiring RF ground...VHF and radar are a snap....sometimes a copper plate is used as a protector to the hull and placed where it contacts the water ...providing similar protection like Zinc does on a tower section...it sacrifices itself to protect what's beneath...sometimes there is no ground connection to the hull and the entire radio system floats, so to speak, to prevent galvanic corrosion action. Email directly and we can chat... Chris WB5ITT [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> On Jul 28, 2017 11:08 AM, "Leslie Bartosh via BVARC" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hello All: My name is Leslie, ad5wb. As some of you know I am involved in activating the 1877 Tall Ship Elissa during Museum Ships Weekend. During this years activation the Bosun asked me if I knew anything about installing radios on ships. I do not know anything about the subject. Does anyone here have any practical experience with installing marine band and hf radios on ships? OR Any suggestions for individuals or companies who can do the job appropriately? They are understandably concerned about the introduction of any form of electrical current to the iron hull of the Elissa. They had to redo the entire hull after hurricane Ike, due to the introduction of electrical current to the hull. 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