Sponsoring an event means that club funds are being used. That appears not to
be that case here and is a misleading statement. Each attendee is responsible
for their own tab. And each attendee is responsible for their behavior.
The club is sanctioning this event as a means of fellowship, and it so happens
it's at an adult venue (caveat emptor).
Other club sanctioned and sponsored events are inclusive of all members
(hamfest, POTA, general meeting, VE testing, board meetings, etc.).
To settle this, add the disclaimer "This may be considered an adult event
(+21), as the venues serve alcoholic beverages".Let the adults figure out
whether they would want to attend or not. Let them determine if it offends
their sensibilities, not "you".
Respectfully submitted.MarkK5MGJ
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 09:59:01 AM CDT, Eddie Runner via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
if you would read the posts thouroughly you might see i enjoyed the brews
events i have been to.
as for my children. if you had read. my son is a 42 yr old ham who happens to
be an addict.
the question isnt the event itself. hams can meet anywhere they want to.
some guys may meet to talk ham and smoke weed (and some do). dont care.
issue to me is simply bvarcs sponsoring an adult only event. all events,
meetings and so on should be good for all members.
Eddie
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On Oct 10, 2023, at 9:51 AM, Fox Danger Piacenti <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Eddie.
We are not exclusively an adult club, but that event is an exclusively adult
event. I promise not to bring my children. I hope you will have the same
courtesy not to bring yours.
If the very existence of an adults-only event on a calendar for a club is
enough to cause problems for children, their caretakers are failing them.
Best,
-Fox
On 10/10/23 09:48, Eddie Runner wrote:
but thats the problem you fail to see. we are not an ADULT club. !!!
we work with schools. and boy scouts. we even offer a student membership.
and always encorage youngsters to and parents to discover and enjoy ham radio.
Eddie NU5K
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On Oct 10, 2023, at 9:38 AM, K5BOU via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
Fox, KW6FOX, well say!
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#77940
From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fox Danger Piacenti via BVARC
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 9:27 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>; anthony moro
<[email protected]>
Cc: Fox Danger Piacenti <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday!
Hi, all.
I'm a fairly new member of this club, having joined only a month or two ago. I
went to last month's Brew's with BVARC event as my first intro event to the
club. Seemed like a fun way to get to know some folks and have a good time.
And it was exactly that. I loved getting to hang with club members and the
offerings at the bar. I'm a bit confused from some of the correspondence here.
Has anything actually happened that was a problem at these events or is this a
lot of speculation about issues that *could* happen? I don't much patience for
the latter. If it's the former, it's fair to discuss how to address the issue.
If something happened that evening, it must have happened while I wasn't
looking or after I left.
I expect club members to be adults. I expect people to make their own
decisions. I also am quite aware that sometimes people have difficulties with
addiction and specific substances.
We're a very large club. That leaves room for diversity of events. It also
means we're more likely to have some members who aren't a good fit for events.
But if we actually come across a member we discover is behaving irresponsibly
at these get-togethers, I do expect those running them to intervene. Worrying
about whose legal responsibility it is comes as a secondary concern (though
still a concern!): I expect the event runners to address behavior problems and
let people who can't behave themselves know they aren't allowed back.
I'm telling everyone here as a new club member I found the event fun, I saw no
irresponsible behavior and I had a great time meeting people and putting some
faces to callsigns. I suggest anyone who doesn't like events at bars not come,
and if they have particular concern about a members welfare if they were to
attend, to let the event runner know about it. From there, we can judge actions.
If anyone had a specific incident at the event that they felt was handled
poorly and not addressed, I think that's important to bring up here. Otherwise
I'd suggest people live and let live.
Best,
-Fox, KW6FOX
On 10/10/23 08:59, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
oh i read your email. but i wanted my thoughts to go to the club. not just you.
i usually try to get the membership involved. at least thier brains thinking
about some of the fun stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
we need a big turnout for the november club elections! we rarely have more
than one person running for office. should be fun.
as far as Brews with bvarc. months ago i was one of the only ones to speak up
with my feelings on the subject.
now that others are thinking about it and sharing their thoughts you cant say
they are causing problems. they are club members and they are allowed
(encouraged) to share opinions.
if members sharing their views are considered problems then we should be very
carefull who we vote for.
Eddie NU5K
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On Oct 10, 2023, at 8:10 AM, anthony moro <[email protected]> wrote:
As you say to me all the time ( you did not read all of my email). I said at
the end of my last response that if you had any more questions or comments
email me directly. I am not going to answer or say anything bad about the board
on the reflector. As stated in my last response you can email me about the
reason I left the board. I just want the club to enjoy the event and don't want
club members to be causing problems about an event that both Kori and Mike put
together.It's interesting that the problem goes away a few months, and a month
later it's right back with more people causing problems. It's like somehow they
were told about only the bad not any of the good. For a while there were no
problems and now the past few months there is a problem with the event. I
mentioned the club president (Mike), because he talked to Kori about the event
and said, (go with it). So I don't understand how now he or other club members
have a problem with the event.
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:13 AM Eddie Runner <[email protected]> wrote:
MY post isnt political and has nothing to do with elections,
my concern was the appearance of the website...
I wasnt mudslinging, I didnt even mention anyones name..
I didnt see anyone mentioning names till you mentioned Mikes....
You (Anthony) mentioned our president about 3 times.. (that is mud slinging)
Why did you drop from the board when there is only a couple of months left
on your board of directors term... Your my buddy, I would do anything for you
but I am calling you a cry baby.. probably related to Kori running against Mike.
I guess your buddy Kori is running against Mike for president this term..
Mike has been a pretty damn good president for a very long time, he has
always been there for our club when no one else has been.. When no one else
will, Mikey is always there.. Club is huge, money in the bank, food at
meetings,
amazing hamfest, thank you Mike !!!!
Time for a change? Sure, Maybe!
Kori is very energetic and very popular in the club.. He is a pretty smart
guy.
and would likely make a good president .. Will he be willing to put as much
into
BVARC as Mike does..??
Time will tell.
Eddie (NU5K)
it is our club, speak your mind..
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 08:17:45 PM CDT, anthony moro <[email protected]>
wrote:
I have been thinking all day about this. I think this is a way of throwing mud
during the elections. This is not fair to either side. So everyone knows I have
left the board for this very sort of stuff. I think this club needs to stop
being divided and think about what's best for the club. Acting like this about
an event the club president allowed to happen is not what's best for the club.
I think that we need to leave the name of the event alone and stop acting like
everybody in the club doesn't drink at all. I say this and also tell y'all
about my past. I was given probation for my third DWI. While on probation I
found a great hobby, and all of yall have been great friends to me. I know that
at least one person in the club has a few beers after work. There is nothing
wrong with that. So saying that, we should leave this topic alone and think and
look to the future of this club. If you feel the same way I feel then think
real hard about what is really going on in the club and see how we as a club
can pull together and put an end to this click kind of behavior. We should work
together, not against each other. Just like some of yall dont get up for the
6:30am breakfast or leave work to go to the Lunch Bunch do the same with this
event. If you don't have the time and would like to be with the family instead
then don't go and keep your comments about an event the club president allowed
to yourself. I am appalled with the behavior of some people that chose to act
this way. I know yall are better than this. Now let's get back to having fun in
this hobby as one of the largest clubs in texas, and show people what being a
great HAM is about. If you have any questions or comments about what I said in
this email, please email me directly. I am willing to talk to yall about how I
feel about how the club members are acting about an event that has been going
on for almost a year now. Also remember the club president allowed this event
after talking to Kori the vice president before he became vice president.
I am sorry if this sounded like I am venting. But I am just tired of all the
mud slinging in the club.
On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 1:22 PM Eddie Runner via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
You guys are finally paying attention!!
I enjoyed the BwBvarc the couple of times I went (fellowship), even though
I am not a drinker...
I complained when we started advertising it on the website as a BVARC
sanctioned event...
Being that we have always tried to put forward a welcoming face and tried to
attract young
folks and even children and parents to our club...
No one paid any attention to me back then.
PLUS, I am sure some of our members have or have had problems with booze....
Some have had DUIs, some are recovering...!
Some of you know my son,
he has been a ham (since 10 years old) and is now 43yrs.. He has been an addict
for many years.. Although I like to share with him ham radio things, like the
hamfest and so on.
I would be afraid to even mention BwBVARC to him.
I didn't go, but someone mentioned to me that the LAST BwBVARC had CBD beers
which were noted with warnings that they could affect the outcome of a drug
test.
Glad you guys are finally paying attention!!
Eddie Runner (NU5K)
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 01:06:47 PM CDT, JP Pritchard via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
Even if the club turns out to be protected from legal liability, I'm not sure
we want our club name to be associated with a possible DUI traffic tragedy.
Just a thought.
JP, K5JPP
On 10/09/2023 12:48 PM CDT Rick Hiller via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
The promoted title “Brews with BVARC” leans toward making it a de facto,
sanctioned event, and this doesn't sit well with some folks.
By W5RH.
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On Oct 9, 2023, at 11:48 AM, N5LNK - Sean Linkenheimer via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
Philippe,
Thank you I had no idea this was a concern for some. A few years back I was
required to be certified with TABC for the The Katy Rice Harvest Festival. I am
a Past Grand Knight and former District Deputy of the Knights of Columbus and
our council 6950 served beer for the Rice Harvest Festival. Because our council
was engaged in serving alcohol we had the responsibility to not serve patrons
past the legal limit and were trained how to spot when someone was intoxicated.
That being said, the Brews with BVARC event, although a gathering of members at
an establishment that serves alcohol, is in no way the same as our club serving
alcohol to members or the general public. I believe the club having a Brews
with BVARC event in many ways is no different than any of the other membership
gatherings; afterall it is about comradery. I have not read the clubs bylaws
but if there was something governing this sort of gathering it would be found
in the bylaws.
73 de
N5LNK - Sean
On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 11:10 AM K5BOU via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
In the past few weeks, I heard some members talk about the legal aspect of
having events at the bar/brewery serving alcohol under the BVARC umbrella.
Because of the nature of my job, working in the restaurant/Hotel industry, I
have some contacts at TABC and ask who will be responsible if some members get
intoxicated during a club event at the restaurant or bar. TABC clarifies that
The restaurant/bar with TABC licenses that sells and serves alcohol to an
intoxicated patron is responsible.
I hope this helps.
I hope you have a great week.
K5BOU-PhilippeBoucaumont
Houston|Texas|USA|
https://mccrarymeadowsweather.com/
#77940
From: BVARC <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kori Rahman via BVARC
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2023 12:58 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB <[email protected]>
Cc: Kori Rahman <[email protected]>
Subject: [BVARC] Brews with BVARC this Tuesday!
Hello everyone!
This is another reminder of our Brews with BVARC event coming up this Tuesday
October 10th at 6:30pm. We will be at Holler Brewing Company in Houston. Please
come out if you can. There's always great conversation and camaraderie out at
these events, and we hope you can join us this time around. Give us a call on
146.520 MHz FM Simplex if you need directions when nearby or if you have
trouble finding our table.
Please check out their website (Hollerbeer.com) to see their selection of beers
and for information about their brewery. They promise to have "pop-up chefs"
on-site every day so there should be an opportunity to grab some delicious food
as well. As always, arrive when you can, be safe, be responsible, and let's
have fun!
October Brews with BVARC:
When:
Tuesday October 10th at 6:30pm
Where:
Holler Brewing Co.
2206 Edwards St. Suite A
Houston, TX 77007
Hope to see you there! Thanks and 73!
Kori Rahman, WX5KR
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
Vice-President and Club Call Sign KK5W Trustee
Cell: (770) 298 8516
[email protected]
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