> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Lenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 22 January 2003 16:28
> To: Cactus Developers List
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] New terminology
> 
> Vincent Massol wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been thinking about my "Spines" proposal and as Chris said,
it
> > was a bit too spiky! :-)
> >
> > I've found this nice picture: http://ckart.com/rich/cactmorph.jpg
> >
> > Which has given me the following idea:
> >
> > * Our cactus framework = Pistil
> > * Our cactus front ends, i.e. what goes around the framework =
Petals
> >
> > Thus, I would like to propose to name "Petal" our front-ends: Ant,
> > Eclipse, Maven, etc.
> >
> > Comments?
> 
> Well, this doesn't address my concern about having a name that needs
to
> be explained before it's understood :-P ... 

Same as Cactus vs J2EEUnit ... :-)

> I'd still favor a simple
> 'integration' directory, and generally just talking about
> Cactus/Ant-Integration, Cactus/Eclipse-Integration, etc.
> 
> I also don't really like the sound of the names 'Ant Petal', 'Eclipse
> Petal', etc... In retrospect, I'd even favor the original term
> 'Front-End' :-)
> 
> I guess I'm -0 (if I understand correctly, I'm not totally positive
> about the proposal, but won't block it).
> 
> Still a nice picture though :-)

ouch. I was so happy with the name. Julien also likes it. Let me try to
convince one last time... :-) I especially like it for 3 reasons:

1/ It isn't really hard to explain. Actually, the idea is to present a
diagram such as the one attached on the cactus web site front page (it's
a first draft and can be improved a lot). The idea is to have a
representation of http://ckart.com/rich/cactmorph.jpg 

2/ because it is unambiguous. Front-ends/integration/tools/etc are
English words and means different things for different persons. "Petal"
has to be defined, yes, but then we can easily talk about "Petals" in
emails, chat, articles, etc. and we all know what it means.

3/ I think it helps giving an identity/cohesion to Cactus. We are in
effect building a Cactus world.

4/ It is easy to imagine petals around the core (Pistil) and the
attached diagram does really represent a core with petals attached to
it.

[Slightly OT]: If you really think further Petals are what really
protects the Pistil and could represent the core Cactus front-ends.
Sepals are further outside on the plant and could represent external
integrations (such as JUnitEE, StrutsTestCase, JBuilder, TogetherCC,
etc). Ok, my imagination is going wild here! :-)

Thanks
-Vincent

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