Hi Vincent!

Vincent Massol wrote:
> I am now convinced (thanks to my better undestanding of MO and thanks to
> Thomas Calivera and others on the list) that it is not the correct time for
> Cactus v2 to try to integrate MO with IC and that they do not blend well.

That's a pity.

> The idea is to keep the 3 following frameworks separate (but why not with
> bridges between them) :
> - Cactus, specialized in unit testing server side java components using an
> In-Container approach (IC),
> - HttpUnit for functional unit tests (PF),
> - MockObjects.com for mock implementations (MO)

-1. I don't like MockObjects.com, really.

> If you agree with this new proposition, our goal is to continue to improve
> Cactus in its IC approach (and there is still a lot of work to do!),
> especially in the following areas :
> - documentation. We need to provide even better documentation (with trails
> for example, like the Java tutorial and also rework the existing
> documentation to better structure it and add missing things),
> - better taglib testing support
> - better EJB testing support
> - better JSP testing support
> - Servlet Filter testing support

I propose the following: if at all possible, I'll try to integrate a
mock-object implementation with the current Cactus (which is what I
originally intended). Then I'll show you the results, and if you all
like it, then you apply the patch.

As I said, it was my itch to scratch in the beginning, and if nobody
will follow it then it's my duty to implement it :)

> You may find it strange that I changed my mind in such a radical way ...
> especially as I was the one arguing the most about the integration of IC, MO
> and PF ... ! I certainly would have liked to see this happen. However, I
> also know when it is time to back out ... (thanks to you!). My ultimate goal
> is to do what is best for Cactus and I find that the proposal here is the
> best course for Cactus (tell me if I am wrong!). I would also like to take
> more time to learn better MO (which is one reason for giving a hand on the
> MockObjects project).

It's understandable. I think the discussion has gone astray, at least
from my side because I don't know Cactus very well.

Un saludo,

Alex.

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