Vincent, I would prefer Data Driven (in an automated fashion) The earlier suggestion of using an eclipse plugin interrogating xml files for JNDI names to generate Bean TestCases is of great interest to me Thanks, -Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Massol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Cactus Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found))
> Martin, > > We're not talking about the same thing I guess. Are you talking about > data-driven testing? I'm asking because a generator is dumb and *cannot* > generate test cases for you. It can only generate some skeleton (and > what I was telling you is that the skeleton is light). > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 24 November 2003 20:01 > > To: Cactus Users List > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good bye > Tarek > > (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found)) > > > > Vincent-It does seem like a good idea when you have 500 Testcases to > > generate and you are being pressured for end of the day results > > Mark-will the eclipse plugin support Automatic cactus testcase > generation > > by > > discovering JNDI names by parsing server.xml? > > Thanks > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Lybarger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Cactus Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:49 AM > > Subject: RE: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good bye > Tarek > > (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found)) > > > > > > > I think this does seem like a decent idea for the eclipse plugin to > > handle. > > > Eclipse allows creating a new junit test case, and about the only > other > > > thing a cactus plugin would need is the jndi name of the bean. > Given > > that, > > > it could possibly create even a sample test case just to get > something > > > running. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Vincent Massol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:38 AM > > > > To: 'Cactus Users List' > > > > Subject: RE: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good > bye > > > > Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem > Found)) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > No I don't know any. I personally don't see the need for one for 2 > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > 1/ I don't what is difficult in typing: > > > > > > > > public class MyclassTest extends ServletTestCase > > > > > > > > 2/ This can be done with a macro in your IDE > > > > > > > > Or do you mean other advanced feature? > > > > > > > > What I don't like with generators is that they tend to be verbose. > I'm > > > > sure that instead of what I've written in 1/, your generator > > > > would have > > > > written instead: > > > > > > > > public class MyclassTest extends ServletTestCase > > > > { > > > > public MyclassTest(String name) > > > > { > > > > super(name); > > > > } > > > > > > > > public static Test suite() > > > > { > > > > return new TestSuite(MyclassTest.class); > > > > } > > > > > > > > public static void main(String[] args) > > > > { > > > > .... > > > > > > > > no? ;-) > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: 24 November 2003 05:47 > > > > > To: Cactus Users List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good > bye > > > > Tarek > > > > > (was RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found)) > > > > > > > > > > Vincent > > > > > I have used Artur Hefcyz testsgen to generate skeleton code for > 2 > > > > > differing > > > > > situations and in both cases they worked extremely well > > > > > I was looking for a like minded Cactus TestCase generator > > > > if you know > > > > of > > > > > one > > > > > I would appreciate a link > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > > Martin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Vincent Massol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "'Cactus Users List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 3:33 PM > > > > > Subject: Automated cactus generation tool (was RE: RE: Good > > > > bye Tarek > > > > (was > > > > > RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> Problem Found)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry but I don't know what an automated junit generation tool > is. > > > > Do > > > > > > you mean a tool that generates skeleton TestCase? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: 24 November 2003 02:26 > > > > > > > To: Cactus Users List > > > > > > > Subject: Re: RE: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: > > > > Authentication > > > > > > > Failure --> Problem Found) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the same note is there a automated cactus generation > > > > tool such > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > one for junit? > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > >From: "Eric Pugh" > > > > > > > >Reply-To: > > > > > > > >To: "'Cactus Users List'" > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: > > > > Authentication > > > > > > Failure > > > > > > > --> Problem Found) > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:11:10 +0100 > > > > > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > > > > >Received: from mail.apache.org ([208.185.179.12]) by mc3- > > > > > > > f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); > > > > Sun, 23 Nov > > > > > > 2003 > > > > > > > 05:11:14 -0800 > > > > > > > >Received: (qmail 33135 invoked by uid 500); 23 Nov 2003 > > > > 13:11:10 > > > > > > -0000 > > > > > > > >Received: (qmail 33122 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2003 > > > > 13:11:09 > > > > > > - > > > > > > > 0000 > > > > > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO hqexch01.upstate.com) > > > > > > (205.160.101.145) by > > > > > > > daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Nov 2003 13:11:09 -0000 > > > > > > > >Received: from IQUITOS (ciaranlaptop.ltd.upstate.com > > > > > > [172.17.1.100]) by > > > > > > > hqexch01.upstate.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet > Mail > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > Version 5.5.2653.13)id XCTZ3QH3; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:12:08 > -0500 > > > > > > > >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jG1z8iUJ+kGbDb/g/AcfLAS > > > > > > > >Mailing-List: contact > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run > > > > by > > > > > > ezmlm > > > > > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > >List-Subscribe: > > > > > > > >List-Help: > > > > > > > >List-Post: > > > > > > > >List-Id: "Cactus Users List" > > > > > > > >Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > > > > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > > > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 > (9.0.2910.0) > > > > > > > >In-Reply-To: > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >Importance: Normal > > > > > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > > > > > > > >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: > > > > > > 000000003F7DA61201DEFA4D8CC4384DDEAFB94164F0D200 > > > > > > > >X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > > > > > > >Return-Path: cactus-user-return-4852- > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2003 13:11:14.0075 (UTC) > > > > > > > FILETIME=[4596B6B0:01C3B1C3] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Just a heads up on Mock objects.. they seem simple, they > > > > aren't. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > >a lot of weird subtleness issues with the order of > setting up > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > >results. And the concept of using generic objects to > record a > > > > > > series of > > > > > > > >expected results, and then verifing the expected > > > > results occur > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > >object? Egads..! Cactus has lots of setup issues, > > > > that is where > > > > > > most > > > > > > > >bugs/heartache comes from. MockObjects, especially > > > > once you get > > > > > > beyonnd > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >super simple onces, have a lot of difficult concepts to > grok > > > > > > instead.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The two technologies are both difficult, simple on > > > > the surface, > > > > but > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > >complex as you get deeper. Something that may help with > > > > learning > > > > > > cactus > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >to A) buy the book. b) Start over with much simpler > > > > use cases. > > > > When > > > > > > i > > > > > > > >tried Cactus the first time, I tried to apply it to a > very > > > > complex > > > > > > > database > > > > > > > >driven, xml parsing, coffee brewing app! Well, it didn't > brew > > > > > > coffee, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > >almost. It was very frustrating. So then I went and tried > out > > > > > > cactus > > > > > > > >testing with the JNDI code for commons-configuration, and > it > > > > was > > > > > > much > > > > > > > >simpler.. Contributing that code helped me get a > > > > success under > > > > my > > > > > > belt > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >made getting deeper into cactus much more enjoyable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do think my motto: "Nothing is ever easy..." is very > > > > applicable > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >software development..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Tarek M. Nabil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:19 AM > > > > > > > > > To: Cactus Users List > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: > > > > > > > > > Authentication Failure > > > > > > > > > --> Problem Found) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, there are not many known bugs. 99.99% of > > > > the time it > > > > > > > > > is an error > > > > > > > > > from its users. J2EE stuff is complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that's because there are a lot of subtle things > that > > > > > > > > > you need to do to get it to work, and they're never > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > in the documentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other ways to pay back apart from money, > like > > > > > > > > > giving your time to help > > > > > > > > > the others and contributing. I can tell you that if > you're > > > > > > > recognized > > > > > > > > > for doing this others will more likely help you > > > > out. That's > > > > how > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > work in life. It's also true for open source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's easier said than done. How can you contribute > to > > > > > > > > > something you can't understand? If you have a problem > and > > > > you > > > > > > > > > never find out how to solve it, what do you have to > > > > contribute? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, thanks to everyone. And, BTW, mock objects are > my > > > > > > > > > next trial, so wish me luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Tarek Nabil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Vincent Massol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:06 PM > > > > > > > > > To: 'Cactus Users List' > > > > > > > > > Subject: Good bye Tarek (was RE: REPOST: RE: > > > > Authentication > > > > > > > > > Failure --> > > > > > > > > > Problem Found) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Tarek M. Nabil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: 23 November 2003 10:22 > > > > > > > > > > To: Cactus Users List > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: REPOST: RE: Authentication Failure --> > > > > Problem > > > > > > Found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your support. I hope that you and > > > > everyone else > > > > > > will > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > better luck with your efforts. As for me, I've > > > > decided to > > > > drop > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > Cactus idea. The problem I described below took > > > > me several > > > > > > days to > > > > > > > > > > determine the root cause and until now, I haven't > been > > > > able to > > > > > > > solve > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Now, that I'm even faced with more problems writing > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > tests, and > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > questions are not being answered by anyone, it > > > > seems that > > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > is losing its meaning. This is supposed to increase > > > > > > > > > productivity, not > > > > > > > > > > hinder it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in the future, when the framework is less > > > > buggy and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > developers dedicated to support, maybe then I will > try > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK, there are not many known bugs. 99.99% of > > > > the time it > > > > > > > > > is an error > > > > > > > > > from its users. J2EE stuff is complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before I unsubscribe from this list, I just want to > say > > > > that I > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > believe in the open source model. But open > > > > source projects > > > > > > > > > need a lot > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > effort before they're embraced by the developer > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *You* are the open source, so it's only as good as you > can > > > > make > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > There's no one paid to support you, Tarek. We're all > busy > > > > > > > > > working on our > > > > > > > > > day work and we're only developing/supporting at > > > > night time, > > > > > > > > > during our > > > > > > > > > free time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, nobody is preventing your from hiring > support > > > > > > services to > > > > > > > > > help you out. AFAIK, you haven't approached anybody > for > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > other ways to pay back apart from money, like giving > your > > > > time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > the others and contributing. 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