I never explicitly include a session component. I think there is a lot more hackery needed than just telling cake not to deal w/ sessions. cake doesnt seem to play well w/ any other code...what good is a framework if I cant even integrate a simple forum? and when i try to integrate another chunk of 3rd party code, will cake suck even more since it wants so much control?...I think I'll just roll my own framework...and w/ a much smaller codebase
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