Agree with you Andy. My point was exactly that you should do a properly formed 
find statement (using containable behaviour or at least sensible recursion 
[shudder]) rather than a blanket read, which in my experience can often 
generate a huge array of stuff I don't need at the time.

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On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:39, AD7six wrote:

> 
> 
> On Oct 13, 1:30 pm, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If you have a model with many associations, debug out the results of read() 
>> - and you'll be amazed at how much it pulls back. I never use it.
> 
> Verging on FUD guys.
> 
> https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/blob/2.0/lib/Cake/Model/Model.php#L1412
> 
> There's no "performance" difference between using read and find first.
> 
> cakii
> 
> SELECT list, of, fields FROM foo WHERE id = 1
> 
> is better than
> 
> SELECT list FROM foo WHERE id = 1
> SELECT of FROM foo WHERE id = 1
> SELECT fields FROM foo WHERE id = 1
> 
> Don't ask for fields you're not going to use - don't go back to the db
> to get fields you "forgot" to ask for the first time. Use debug kit or
> simply the query log and look at the sql you're generating - if you
> don't change the recursive value of the model you might be generating
> a lot more queries - or joins -  than you expect/want.
> 
> AD
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