Hello Reuben,
  I want to thank you for that well thought reply, the answers and pointers 
you have given me.  I really do try and find the answers through google, 
the cook book, youtube and irc.  I just know that sometimes people can 
answer your question in a couple minutes that will save you hours of 
wasting your time.
I have read through the cook book a few times already and though it does 
give some basic examples it lacks answering common problems.

I have done the blog tutorial, expanded it with Andrew Perkins youtube 
tutorials to add in authorization.  I have built a basic administration 
section and a user account section with routing (that took way too much 
time messing around).  I have been able to create form dropdowns that get 
populated from other models, and I recognize the 
data['User']['purchased']['year']  from the examples.  I have built a 
number of different sections like products, manufacturers, dealers, deals, 
users using the basic scaffolding.  

I do need to get into the Category Tree Structure, which I have looked into 
a number of examples, going to need to implement Pagination, Breadcrumbs 
and a proper Search tool (that works with multi-word searches).  Not to 
mention uploading multiple images for a product with a main (or default) 
image set.  I have been looking into using a plugin to do the image upload 
but that has been challenging to get one installed and working properly.

The next time I post .. I will keep it to one problem and try and layout 
what I have done.

Have a good Christmas.


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