Kevin,
i can do that, but it doesn't make sense to me. i don't want my Listing to make 
any changes to the Attributes, so why is it attempting to do so? If i disable 
validation for updates, they won't be validated when the admin actually DOES 
edit an Attribute.

Maybe a full end-to-end association isn't what i want here?

If i want my data save to stop at ListingsAttributes, what would that look like 
in the form & Controller? Is it even possible? i made a couple half-hearted 
attempts at it, but didn't get anywhere.

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