Chris
> Um, I never said I was a DBA or looking to work as a DBA. I've never
> been discounted from a position as a developer because I didn't know
> what a view was or how to use it.  And on top of it, you continue to
> be incredibly rude towards me.  Your little joke about exposure to the
> sun is a perfect example of that.
>
> Do all DBA's have this type of attitude towards developers?  Wow.
> Oddly enough, the other DBA that I have worked with displayed the same
> level of disdain for developers and shock that not everyone understood
> database systems the way he did.  He wasn't even that good at his job
> either.
>   
I am sorry if my tone was rude, I was simply trying to say that to never 
had the opportunity to ever create and/or use a view, in 9 years of 
experience , (or 20, for that matter), is not good enough of a reason to 
discard their use.

I am a programmer, and never had a position as a DBA. It might surprises 
you, but it's true. I develop client applications, or, more exactly, 
help other programmers (all my clients are programmers) to develop or 
improve their applications. And, very, very often, my job is to open 
their eyes on SQL, as they  upgrade their applications from Sequential 
ISAM files to SQL.
Problem is, generally speaking, they continue to program with the same 
ISAM mindset, which is far from optimal. As an example, I have recently 
wrote ONE stored procedure, replacing 3 "process", with the result to go 
from about 1 hour of heavy processing on their machine, to about 0.30 
second on the Postgresql server. ( Not comparing with MySQL, as before 
version 5, this was impossible in MySQL).

So, I am a programmer, like you. I have been developing applications 
(Desktop and Lan) for businesses of all sizes, and now my experience 
allow me to work in the background, for other programmers. I am mostly a 
beginner in PHP, and have a lot too learn in that field, which I admit 
very easily. But I am learning. And if I manage to learn to the point 
where I would be able to help modify Cake core classes, I will be very 
happy to do so. But for now, I was mostly pointing out that, discarding 
the ability to use back end views was a disturbing choice for me.

Bernard


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