On Apr 12, 2007, at 3:04 PM, savagekabbage wrote:

>
> Yes, that's exactly why it was taken down. However, while CakePHP has
> a lot of documentation on the web, the API, and the forums... Most of
> it is too hard to grasp or too steep for newbies to handle.  There are
> countless newbies who have/have had trouble learning the framework
> (including myself) and I believe this will be a good resource for
> future CakePHP prospects.
>
> I don't see how a wiki can be any less organized or correct than a
> Google group, so I'm going to move forward with this.

savagekabbage,

I've had the most first-hand experience with this, so let me chime in.

First, I want to stress one thing - any non-official documentation  
effort only makes it harder for newbs to get up and running. The very  
best thing you can do, is come talk to me to see how we can beef up  
the current, official docs. We love bloggers. We love forum posters.  
We love any good press, but if you want your work to have the most  
positive impact, get your words in the official docs. That's where  
people are going to look first. That's where we'll want them to look  
first.

Secondly, the Bakery is already filling the role of the old and  
(thankfully) dead CakePHP Wiki. There were a number of problems that  
we realized after using a wiki:

1. Information becomes outdated quickly, and becomes a source of  
misinformation quickly
2. Well meaning folks writing incorrect information was happening too  
much
3. There was no way to consistently tell what version of Cake a given  
piece of content was for.
4. Wikis grow organically and are not often well organized unless  
vigilantly moderated and pruned

I won't disagree that there were some great articles. But those  
articles can now be housed in the Bakery. We can approve and maintain  
an extremely high level of quality there. Its a win for everyone -  
the community can contribute, and we can forestall and possible  
misinformation.

I should also add that this google group is not a documentation  
effort, it is a support effort, which has a different aim.

Thirdly, we'd ask that you do not use the CakePHP logo on your site  
like you have it now - it makes it appear that the site is official,  
which will cause confusion.

I think we're all after the same thing here - is there a reason you'd  
rather not help to work and strengthen the official documentation  
instead?

Regards,

John

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