Thanks for an educating post. It's always helpful not only for
questioner but for many lurkers quietly educating themselves :-)

On Apr 15, 5:34 pm, "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The "SELECT COUNT(*)" query is used to determine whether or not the
> record exists.  Based on the result of query, Cake will either perform
> an INSERT or UPDATE query.  If an insert is performed, "SELECT
> LAST_INSERT_ID()" query is functionally equivalent to mysql_insert_id
> (though more reliable for large integers), and is used to get the ID
> of the newly created record.  Neither of these queries are the result
> of a bug, nor is the fact that they appear multiple times (once each
> per insert).  You cannot disable them without quite a bit of trouble,
> and I don't think you'd want to, as it would break Cake's normal
> operation.
>
> Rhetorical question, posed to no one in particular: why is it that
> people will automatically jump to the conclusion that a particular
> behavior is a bug just because it isn't consistent with how they think
> it should work?  At this point, CakePHP has become a big enough
> project that it has attracted a lot of help (in the form of advice,
> patches, etc.) from a lot of really smart people.  We on the dev team
> also do a lot of research into the techniques of other really smart
> people when deciding how certain things should work (using SELECT
> LAST_INSERT_ID() instead of mysql_insert_id is a perfect example).
> So, for the most part, most aspects of the framework represent the
> aggregation of the knowledge and wisdom of all those really smart
> people, and therefore the best way to go about doing things.  That
> being the case, which seems more likely: a bug in the code, or a bug
> in someone's understanding of it?
>
> In fairness, I will say that most people (lately) have been pretty
> good about asking questions about things in an unassuming way before /
> instead of submitting tickets, but I think it still happens the other
> way around often enough for me to raise the question.  Anyone else
> notice this or am I the only one?
>
> On Apr 15, 10:13 am, "majna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This is something new in core, i just wonder why is there.
> > I think it is merged down form 1.2 in 1.1.14 release.
> > Documentation do not cover things like this, so I ask here, then
> > ticket...
> > It is important for me to know why some feature is there, how can i
> > use it.
> > Why is there same query twice?
>
> > @savagekabbage
> > example: saving order with 5 products (including product options and
> > stuff) generate 15 queries, and cake add for each insert 2x this
> > above- about 20.
> > And they are duplicated demnit.
> > This must be a bug. How can cake save my life? :)
>
> > On Apr 15, 2:26 am, "savagekabbage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Actually disregard my last message, I misread your post.  I'm not sure
> > > if there's a way to avoid doing this without hacking the source
> > > though.  If you're worried about one extra query per page then the
> > > Cake framework probably isn't for you.
>
> > > On Apr 14, 9:05 am, "majna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > There is two additional query after creating new record:SELECT
> > > > LAST_INSERT_ID() AS insertID
>
> > > > and two after update: COUNT(id)
>
> > > > How to avoid this behavior? Why is it there?
> > > > CAKE 1.1.14,


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