On Jun 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Dérico Filho wrote:

>
> Hi John!
>
>> Why would you need to distribute the docs when they're already freely
>> available?
>
> "Free" -> chmod 0444??? Free to read, you mean, I guess. :-)

Yes. There's a reason we don't allow everyone to post freely to an  
official CakePHP website. :)

> Let's us take a hypotetic project (not so hypothetic, because I am
> doing one with CakePHP).
> I make a Project using CakePHP. MIT Licence allows me to change it
> according to my needs.
>
> But my customer wants the documentation, oh NOT ONLY what I've done,
> but also the CakePHP and the modifications... Well, what I problem I
> got now, wouldn't you say? Mr. Woodworth told me the Documentation and
> the Logo is Cake Foundation's intellectual property! Alas, I will have
> to rewrite Cake's doc from the scratch, Oh nooo.... First, I can't
> produce an altered version of the manual and distribute it.

IANAL, but I don't see the issue with you writing whatever you want  
about CakePHP, as long as you tell people you're not official, and  
who is.

Secondly, is there a problem with handing this client a link to the  
existing manual, or a PDF of it?

> Second, I
> can't also store the manual in the same CD of my project, I have to
> instruct my customer to read or download it from the Cake website.

...which is probably more updated than a PDF on a CD...

> OK, stopping the sarcams now.
>
> You see the point? Or even, I want to make my own version of commented
> manual, I just cannot.

I suppose you can, but you'd need to write your own content for it.  
But if everyone does that...

> Or for instance, I live in Brazil, people here
> simply don't talk english... I would like to provide them a version of
> commented manual with Portuguese comments, but this also is not
> allowed.

We're working on that, as I've explained in another thread. If you  
like to help with that, let me know.

> I cannot do ANYTHING with CakePHP manual because it's Cake Software
> Foundation intellectual property.

Why is that? So we can maintain a level of quality. Nothing is  
stopping you from making your own manual, as long as you write it  
yourself and don't make it appear as an official document. This is  
legal - that's why you see all these "missing manual" series on the  
bookshelves. I just don't think it's a good idea.

> please! chmod 777 CAKEMANUAL.

That'll never happen because I expect a level of quality and accuracy  
that a wiki-type approach simply cannot (and did not) provide. I also  
think that creating your own version of the manual really isn't as  
productive as contributing to the official effort.

--- John
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