Here's my bottom line: I was *completely* new to the whole MVC, PHP Framework thing. Never even heard of it before.
I got CakePHP up and running in 30 mins and was able to "do stuff". After about two months messing with CakePHP a friend recommended Zend. He was the same friend who recommended a PHP framework, so I took his advice. After an hour (and two months prior experience) I still couldn't get the thing up and running right. So there you have it, CakePHP it is. Bottom line, it works for what I'm doing. Maybe if I'm building the next DIGG, I may reconsider, but for write now. Cranking out small/medium sized web apps works fine and super fast in CakePHP. On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 AM, John David Anderson (_psychic_) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Action wrote: > > > > > I've always used Cake as my primary framework, but the Zend Framework > > seems to be shaping up nicely. Most of its published criticisms have > > been dealt with since 1.0 and it has some very impressive features > > (webservices, etc.). > > The problem with ZF is its advertised strength: "Hey look everyone at > our kewl components." In my view ZF is not a framework, it's a subset > of PEAR for web developers. There's no over-arching sense of where to > put things. There aren't conventions and best practices. It is no more > of a framework than PEAR is. > > To me, ZF is the pieces you use to build a website, not the framework > and guide that CakePHP is. > > > Given the fact that it's "Zend" and that there's an entire team of > > professional developers behind it, do you think this framework will > > become the industry standard for PHP? Also, do you think other > > frameworks such as CakePHP will die off as a result? > > Yeah it'll die right out. Projects without large corporate support > always die out. Like the Ron Paul campaign. Or Linux. > > > The reason I ask is because I question Cake's future. I've already > > spent a lot of time on this framework, but I don't want to waste time > > if something like Zend is going to become the standard. > > Have you seen a big uptake with ZF? If anything, interest in their > "framework" is slowing. I won't pretend to be a technology prophet, > but I see no indication of Cake going away anytime soon. Nor do I see > any indication of the ZF becoming some sort of industry standard. > > Frankly, I think it's misleading of Zend to advertise their project as > an MVC framework. Where exactly is the Zend_Model "component"? It's > like handing me a plate of veggies and selling it as meat and > potatoes. They've got some cool stuff in there (the Lucene and PDF > stuff I've used in my Cake projects), but it's not MVC. > > > Cake's > > releases are far more infrequent than Zend's and Cake's documentation > > is STILL horrible. > > It's about quality, not quantity. > > I'm also tiring of people crying about the docs. Right now, we have > 170 completely rewritten printed pages of documentation for code that > isn't even BETA. We have an article repository with thousands of > community contributed articles. There are only a dozen or so > documentation tickets that are active, and I have no regular > contributors to the documentation creation process (outside of the > CakePHP core team). Docs are in a pretty good state right now. > > It seems you're just parroting what you might have heard without > really investigating the facts. Cake is on the up, ZF is on the flat, > and docs are better than they've ever been. It's a great time to be a > CakePHP user. > > -- John > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cake PHP" group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
