Thank you very much Wayne.
Ironically, I was looking for this exact solution 2 hours ago!
:)
Mike
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Turnquist, Jonah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I am totaling agreeing with you Wayne. I started learning cakePHP
> about 2 weeks ago and it is very hard to learn from the
> documentation. What I basically had to do was read it like 3 times,
> because what it was trying to tell me didn't always make sense because
> I did not understand other things that were not said until later in
> the documentation that were required to understand the first thing.
>
> Blech, it definitely would be great if some more people put more time
> into it.
>
> On Jun 25, 12:50 pm, Wayne Madison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Yes! This discussion thread is about Documentation.
> >
> > The Current Documentation is "good". On a scale of 1 to 10, it is a 5.
> >
> > I say this for a number of reasons.
> >
> > 1. It contains deprecated items that are not noted as such.
> > 2. Alternative / Preferred methods to deprecated items are not
> > provided.
> > 3. It provides items without specific examples which can be used and
> > tested by users.
> > 4. It does not provide specific methods to solve specific fundamental
> > web application problems.
> >
> > My goal of this thread was to present a problem an a web application
> > builder(user) brings to the Documentation.
> >
> > The application builder brings a general question to the
> > Documentation.
> >
> > For Example:1) How do I add a select option driven by a database
> > table to my View(form)?
> > 2) How do I eliminate a label on a form eliment?
> > 3) How do I change the label on a select
> > option?
> >
> > Are the direct and explicit answers to these types of questions beyond
> > the scope of this Documentation?
> >
> > The application builder has followed the cakePHP instructions to build
> > their application in accordance with cakePHP methodology and
> > practice.
> >
> > The Methods, Controllers and Views were built with cake.php Bake and
> > tested with scaffold.
> >
> > This was accomplished in short order!
> >
> > Thanks cakePHP!
> >
> > Some of the boring repetitive work is out of the way.
> >
> > Now the CUSTOMIZATION work begins.
> >
> > How do I add a select option driven by a database table to my
> > View(form)?
> >
> > The developer finds a solution in the Documentation use
> > generateList().
> >
> > The developer applies generateList() to the application.
> >
> > Many trials and failures follow.
> >
> > Finally, the developer finds that generateList() is deprecated.
> >
> > The notes in the Documentation regarding the deprecation of the
> > generateList() are missing?
> >
> > Time Wasted!
> >
> > There are no notes on an alternative method!
> >
> > More frustration.
> >
> > More time.
> >
> > More research.
> >
> > CakePHP gurus provide the following:
> >
> > 1) Use "find" and "Set::combine". Those components are in the
> > documentation.
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2) Download X,Y or Z web application and decontruct.
> >
> > Deconstruction!
> >
> > Yes!
> >
> > More research.
> >
> > More time.
> >
> > CakePHP users will try components 2,3, 4 or more times before an error
> > isn't kicked out because there is a lack of specific examples.
> >
> > Did the guru say "find", "find(''list"), find("all"), "findAll()",
> > "generateList(), etc. etc. etc. which one? They are all in the
> > Documentation.
> >
> > How many times does a user have to test "find", "find(''list"),
> > find("all"), "findAll()", "generateList(), etc. etc. etc. before they
> > find that the solution to this fundamental form requirement, "a select
> > option" based upon a database doesn't produce the desired results.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > That component requires the use of another component.
> >
> > Remember? Set::combine?
> >
> > More time.
> >
> > More research.
> >
> > More testing.
> >
> > Do you remember the web developers original question which brought
> > them to the Documentation?
> >
> > How is a select option based upon a database table added to a
> > View(form)?
> >
> > How much time does a user spend to find the component(s) needed to
> > answer this basic web application question?
> >
> > How much time does a user spend to find out how, when and where to use
> > those components with what dependencies (Model, Controller and View)
> > are required?
> >
> > More research!
> >
> > More testing!
> >
> > Is providing, in the documentation, the answer to this type of
> > question beyond the scope of the Documentation?
> >
> > I don't think that it is.
> >
> > Therefore, I rate the Documentation a 5.
> >
> > The Documentation at this time is more of a compendium, repository,
> > alphabetical list of all of the neat things (components) that CakePHP
> > developers have built.
> >
> > Cool.
> >
> > Some of the components in the Documentation are deprecated. Some are
> > not. Some deprecated items are noted as such and provide alternatives.
> > Some aren't and don't. Some components have examples on how to they
> > are to be used. Some don't.
> >
> > What ever time a user saves by using cakePHP framework will be spent
> > and then some on research and testing?
> >
> > That is until the developer has built their own repository of
> > solutions to common requirements such as how to add a selection option
> > to a View(form).
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > While the components to a solution are in the documentation, the
> > solution is not and watch out for deprecation!
> >
> > The need is clear.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On Jun 24, 11:15 am, Wayne Madison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> >
> > > I want to create cakePHP(1.2.0.xxxx) Forms to "View", "Add", "Edit",
> > > "Delete" a "User".
> >
> > > Constraints: 1 (No "Scaffold")
> > > 2 (No Deprecated "generateList()")
> >
> > > I want the "Add" and "Edit" form to contain:
> >
> > > 1) A select option box for "title" based upon the values in the
> > > "titles" table showing field values for "Title" saving "title_id" to
> > > the "users" table.
> > > 2) An input box for first_name
> > > 3) An input box for last_name
> >
> > > I want the "User" "View" form to show:
> >
> > > 1) The "title" selected not the "title_id"
> > > 2) The "first_name" value
> > > 3) The "last_name" value
> >
> > > Table One: "Users"
> >
> > > user_id integer primary key auto number
> > > title_id integer,
> > > first_name varchar(40)
> > > last_name varchar(40)
> >
> > > Table One: Data Example:
> > > user_id titile_id first_name last_name
> > > 1 1 bill smith
> > > 2 2 jane murphy
> > > 3 3 elizabeth baker
> >
> > > Table Two: "Titles"
> > > title_id: integer primary key autonumber
> > > title: varchar(40)
> >
> > > Table Two: Data Example:
> > > title_id title
> > > 1 Mr.
> > > 2 Ms.
> > > 3 Mrs.
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > > Wayne
> >
>
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