im not sure that you understand what a development framework is. The
point of cake is not to automatically produce forms.. It is much more
than that. Im assuming that by graphical point and click you mean
something like dreamweaver to build your views. Even if all you were
talking about was creating forms and views, the bake script would
generate them much faster than you having to drag and drop form
elements into a view.

As for inhumanly unfriendly, Im not quite sure what is. I can
definetly understand not being advanced enough to dive into the libs
and other people's code. (Im still working on my skill level there).
But I would bet that this:

<?php echo $form->input('my_text'); ?>

is much more friendly than

<label for="mytextarea">My Text</label>
<textarea cols="10" rows="60" name="data[Model][my_text]"><?php
if(isset($_POST['my_text'])){ echo $_POST['my_text']; } ?></textarea>
<?php if(isset($_GET['errors']) && isset($_GET['my_text'])){ echo
'Error Message'; } ?>

I just am not sure what is so unfriendly about option 1.

Perhaps if you could be a bit more specific I could help you out with
something if you are struggling.

Another point, the MVC architecture massively reduces coupling which
is very difficult in the old style of web development (having
business, data and display logic all on the same form and having to
include your headers, footers and everything else) etc..

Anyways, let me know if that helps and if you have any other
questions.

But, no, I don't think cake is redundant.


On Aug 30, 7:56 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mean, it can easily be replace by a graphical point and click
> software to reproduce the scaffolding without wasting time on all
> those pesky writing of code which is inhumanly unfriendly best done by
> a dumb computer.
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