On Sep 20, 12:01 pm, Miles J <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok but what if you needed to add more attributes besides the id?
One example would be:
div('foo',
'bar',
aa('style', 'float:left'))
> Also what would you do when you need to echo PHP variables and loops within a
> div?
Your point is taken here and in the above that that these helper
functions can be less flexible. Right now when I have to loop, I do
div('foo');
foreach(...)
... echo
tag('/div');
which eats away at some of the advantages of using the helper. One
workaround is to wrap your loop in a PHP 5.3 anonymous function:
// not tested
echo
div('foo').
(function () { $acc = '';
foreach(...) $acc .= ...;
return $acc; })().
tag('/div');
Evan
> On Sep 20, 9:38 am, "Evan R. Murphy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > My three reasons are less characters (-> file size)...
>
> > To be sure, seeking fewer characters was the impetus for my original
> > post. I wanted to eliminate the "$html->" boilerplate from all my
> > calls to HtmlHelper. div('foo', 'bar') is shorter than <div
> > class="foo">bar</div>. :)
>
> > The HTML filesize is equal or greater, but the source filesize is
> > less.
>
> > Evan
>
> > On Sep 19, 11:39 pm, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I guess this could ramble on for ever and who really cares anyway. My
> > > three reasons are less characters (-> file size), code performance and
> > > readability/maintainability. I don't think I'm mistaken for a heartbeat.
> > > Performance might not be *the* reason you shouldn't do this, but it is a
> > > factor.
>
> > > Jeremy Burns
> > > Class Outfit
>
> > > [email protected]http://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > > On 20 Sep 2010, at 03:04, nurvzy wrote:
>
> > > > You're mistaken.
>
> > > > While i agree its overkill using the helper for basic markup,
> > > > performxe wise its negligible at worse, no difference at best. This
> > > > is because you are already loading php as a module, youre already
> > > > loading the html helper and your ctp is being parsed through the php
> > > > interpreter. Performance is not the reason you should code it in html
> > > > in thia case, its the maintainability of it. Only a cakephp programmer
> > > > will undersand what youre doing. If you work in any team based
> > > > environments your boss would scuff and throw that back in your face
> > > > because a designer will have no idea what to do with it.
>
> > > > Clean and readable code is important.
>
> > > > Hope that helps,
> > > > Nick
>
> > > > On Sep 19, 12:55 am, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> Nope - it's a great tool but in my opinion (and other experienced Cake
> > > >> developers too, it seems) it has to be used with caution. Just because
> > > >> it CAN do some things doesn't mean that you HAVE to use them. I can't
> > > >> see any sense in doing this:
>
> > > >> <?php echo $this->Html->tag('div', $this->html->tag('h1', 'Here is my
> > > >> heading.', array('class' => 'main-heading')), array(class =>
> > > >> 'my-class')); ?>
>
> > > >> ...when this does the same thing:
>
> > > >> <div class="my-class"><h1 class="main-heading">Here is my
> > > >> content.</h1></div>
>
> > > >> Its less characters, easier to read (especially for non-Cake people)
> > > >> and it doesn't use the component (so will perform better).
>
> > > >> So if you have conceded on the performance angle, why would you still
> > > >> want to code this up? If wrap the html helper code up in another
> > > >> wrapper you are just adding complexity and slowing everything down. I
> > > >> don't have any data, but I'd bet that straight html beats coded html
> > > >> in any race.
>
> > > >> It definitely has its uses; but to a man with a hammer in his hands
> > > >> everything looks like a nail.
>
> > > >> No attitude on my part; just passing on my opinion. Sharing is caring.
>
> > > >> Jeremy Burns
> > > >> Class Outfit
>
> > > >> [email protected]http://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > > >> On 19 Sep 2010, at 07:28, Evan R. Murphy wrote:
>
> > > >>> I had already conceded that there may be performance issues with this
> > > >>> approach, I just wanted more data on the severity of it. I'll do some
> > > >>> profiling myself, but if anyone has knowledge about this they can
> > > >>> share, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> > > >>> I'm puzzled by this attitude I'm reading (perhaps I'm misreading?)
> > > >>> that it's a ridiculous proposition to use the HtmlHelper. The thing
> > > >>> ships with CakePHP, and it's promoted pretty heavily in the Cookbook.
> > > >>> If it's such a bad tool, isn't this at least a common misunderstanding
> > > >>> among new Cake programmers?
>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Evan
>
> > > >>> On Sep 19, 12:30 am, Jeremy Burns | Class Outfit
> > > >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>>> You are focussing your efforts in the wrong place. Your time spent
> > > >>>> pressing keys on the keyboard is a fraction of the time that your
> > > >>>> code will be rendered across the interweb. If you have a library
> > > >>>> that you are loading up which in turn loads up a component and then
> > > >>>> runs some functions just to output a simple <div
> > > >>>> class="foobar"></div> statement you are introducing massive overhead
> > > >>>> at run time (caching and so on set aside). What is the problem with
> > > >>>> just doing the job right in the first place, or even better using an
> > > >>>> IDE that helps you with this shortcuts?
>
> > > >>>> To build a good program the efficiency has to be in the finished
> > > >>>> product, not in use of your time.
>
> > > >>>> Jeremy Burns
> > > >>>> Class Outfit
>
> > > >>>> [email protected]http://www.classoutfit.com
>
> > > >>>> On 19 Sep 2010, at 02:58, Evan R. Murphy wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> On Sep 18, 7:50 pm, cricket <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Better to extend HTMLHelper.
>
> > > >>>>> I like that idea. Could you help me understand how you might extend
> > > >>>>> HtmlHelper to make available these global functions (or perhaps even
> > > >>>>> better, put them in some kind of namespace)? I'm new to PHP, so it
> > > >>>>> wasn't clear to me how to write such functions in a class. Public
> > > >>>>> methods seem to be the default.
>
> > > >>>>> Thank you,
> > > >>>>> Evan
>
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