I have been playing with Cakephp for about a month now (I just gave away 
that I am an extreme newbie!) and before that, RoR. Am I just imagining this 
or is it true that these web application development frameworks -  RoR, 
Codeigniter, Cakephp, Symfony, etc. all have a common shortcoming with 
regards to their presentation layer? Maybe this is just wishful thinking, 
but it sure would be nice to have some type of template engine that at least 
tries to emulate a CMS such as Drupal or Joomla or Wordpress. Is it just the 
nature of the beast with the way these MVC frameworks are constructed that 
make them ill-equipped to integrate something like this? 


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