I'm testing with you www now to see if I can reproduce the issues.

Simon Mac Donald
http://hi.im/simonmacdonald



On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Elizabeth Baldwin
<libby.bald...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Didn't find a thread for these issues specifically:
>
> Testing with:
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cordova-android.git;a=summary
> master at macdonst's latest checkin today
>
> Test: my api demo app, media plays mp3 via url
>
> Media: Can access and play mp3, BUT current position always -1 ? , can't
> pause or stop.
> Live Record/Playback: still OK
>
> File: Samsung Galaxy Tab 3.1 ONLY (Droid 2.2.3 ok): Create and Write: OK,
> Read: DOES NOT read file contents (adb flaky - no more data to provide :(
>
> Camera: same issue with undefined, possibly due to navigator.camera not
> getting init'd by deviceready fire?
>
> So - same results I saw yesterday with these 3 apis.
>
> Libby
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Simon MacDonald
> <simon.macdon...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I replied to the wrong mail in the thread. I was trying to tell
>> Libby to pickup the code form the Apache location to continue her
>> testing.
>>
>> Simon Mac Donald
>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I was asking about cordova-js, and yes we do have it.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Simon MacDonald
>> > <simon.macdon...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Probably best to grab the lastest code from:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cordova-android.git;a=summary
>> >>
>> >> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I managed to fix the Media API bug in callback-js.  Since Android is
>> >> using
>> >> > the cordova-js, we need to make sure changes to that make it into
>> there.
>> >> >  Do we have a repo for it yet on Apache?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> We did find issues with the Capture API, but the Camera API on Mobile
>> >> Spec
>> >> >> is working properly.  It does appear in MobileSpec that the Audio is
>> now
>> >> >> not working, and I'll have to investigate it further.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Joe
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Elizabeth Baldwin <
>> >> >> libby.bald...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> It's a demo app I wrote for AppLaud. The 4 APIs showing issues
>> >> >>> are implemented very closely, if not exactly, to the 1.4.1 docs.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I suppose there could be errors in the way I've written the JS, but
>> >> >>> it's odd that all API examples run without issues on 1.4.1. Not sure
>> >> >>> if there are changes to the JS API in 1.5 that I'm not aware of.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Libby
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > Where did this example app come from? I'm noticing that there's
>> >> errors
>> >> >>> with
>> >> >>> > DATA_URL vs DATA_URI on the Camera demo that we're not having with
>> >> >>> > Mobile-Spec.  Also, it appears that nothing is coming back on the
>> >> >>> Capture
>> >> >>> > API.  It looks like most of these are readerGotFileEntryJavascript
>> >> >>> errors,
>> >> >>> > since I haven't
>> >> >>> > seen anything show a stack trace yet.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Elizabeth Baldwin <
>> >> >>> > libby.bald...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > > wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > > Okay, thanks.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > I am still seeing the same problems. BUT - as I am using AppLaud
>> >> >>> > > plugin.. if there some deep changes to build that we don't yet
>> know
>> >> >>> > > about.. there's no need to track these issues here.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > I can do a project clean from Eclipse, and build is auto.. but
>> ant
>> >> >>> clean
>> >> >>> > > from cmd line complains about no build.xml file.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > If you still think these issues could be 'real', I used the
>> >> attached
>> >> >>> www/
>> >> >>> > > to test on Droid 2.2.3 and Galaxy Tab 3.1:
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > Camera - Take a Picture or Select - fails
>> >> >>> > > Capture - any - fails
>> >> >>> > > Media - Play: duration wrong, can't Pause or Stop (record works)
>> >> >>> > > File - Create > Write > Read (read fails on Android 3.1 only)
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > I can flesh each one out more unless my env seems too different.
>> >> The
>> >> >>> > > provided code works on 1.4.1.
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > Libby
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Joe Bowser <bows...@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >> ant clean is critically important.  That burnt us more than a
>> few
>> >> >>> times
>> >> >>> > >> when we were testing here yesterday.
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Simon MacDonald <
>> >> >>> > >> simon.macdon...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> > Make sure you do an "ant clean" of your workspace. If you've
>> >> built
>> >> >>> > >> > cleanly and are still running into problems let us know what
>> you
>> >> >>> see.
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Elizabeth Baldwin
>> >> >>> > >> > <libby.bald...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > > Simon - I'm seeing regression using the latest:
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > > incubator-cordova-android-21b7346.tar.gz
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > > I don't know if I should be updating my code from what I
>> >> >>> > >> > > used from 1.4.1 phonegap docs - ? Did edge docs online
>> change?
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > > Problems: Camera, Capture, Media, File:Read.
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > > Libby
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Simon MacDonald <
>> >> >>> > >> > simon.macdon...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > >> Okay, I've just committed fixes that take care of the last
>> >> two
>> >> >>> pain
>> >> >>> > >> > >> points. Also, I see that Joe's reverted his changes so we
>> >> >>> should go
>> >> >>> > >> > >> full steam ahead doing regression testing on Android to
>> see
>> >> if
>> >> >>> > >> > >> anything is broken. If we can't find any breakages we'll
>> be
>> >> all
>> >> >>> set
>> >> >>> > >> to
>> >> >>> > >> > >> tag 1.5.0 on Android.
>> >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Filip Maj <
>> f...@adobe.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> > Ping the dev list when you get there Simon, then Joe
>> and me
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> > >> > whomever
>> >> >>> > >> > >> > else wants to join the fun can also run through tests on
>> >> our
>> >> >>> end.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > >> > On 2/29/12 8:46 AM, "Simon MacDonald" <
>> >> >>> simon.macdon...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>We may be able to tag 1.5 today. There are two more
>> things
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> > >> should
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>be changed before 1.5 goes out:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>1) Revert the change of the PERSISTENT filesystem now
>> >> >>> defaulting
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>the internal storage. We'll go back to the old
>> >> implementation
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> > >> this
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>release and have a larger discussion on this issue for a
>> >> >>> future
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>release.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>2) FileSystem.js creates a DirectoryEntry with the wrong
>> >> name.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>I expect I'll be able to get both of those changes in
>> >> today.
>> >> >>> > Then I
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>want to run through the regression tests one more time
>> to
>> >> make
>> >> >>> > >> sure I
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>haven't broken anything. Once I've completed that I'll
>> tag
>> >> and
>> >> >>> > let
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>everyone know.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>Sound good?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Steve Gill <
>> >> >>> > >> stevengil...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> Hey guys.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> How do we feel about tagging 1.5 today?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> Simon, do you still feel like android isn't ready?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> How about other repos?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> -Steve
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:20 AM, Simon MacDonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>><simon.macdon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> Yeah, Android is not ready. I've found another bug
>> where
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> > >> cannot
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>play
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> audio using the Media class. I will post up a
>> >> description
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> > >> what
>> >> >>> > >> > is
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>going
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> on in another thread.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> I'm sorry to be the old curmudgeon but I don't think
>> >> that
>> >> >>> > >> Android
>> >> >>> > >> > is
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>ready
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> to be tagged 1.5.0 and released quite yet.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Steven Gill <
>> >> >>> > >> > stevengil...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> Sorry, for some reason I missed the last half of
>> this
>> >> >>> thread.
>> >> >>> > >> The
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>plan in
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> my mind was to make sure every platform had 1.5.0rc
>> >> tagged
>> >> >>> > >> friday
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>(today
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> now) and do the final release tomorrow/Wed. If more
>> >> >>> > discussion
>> >> >>> > >> is
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>needed,
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> please continue.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> -Steve
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Steve Gill <
>> >> >>> > >> > stevengil...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> Pulling it together today. Release this Wed Feb
>> 29th.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> Sound good to everyone?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> -Steve
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> On Feb 27, 2012, at 1:18 PM, Simon MacDonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>><simon.macdon...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> Wait, when are we supposed to be releasing 1.5?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Steven Gill
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>><stevengil...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> I haven't pulled the release candidate together
>> >> yet, so
>> >> >>> > feel
>> >> >>> > >> > free
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>to
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>> retag.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> -Steve
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Becky Gibson <
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> gibson.be...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Has anything been done with the build?  I would
>> >> like
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> > add
>> >> >>> > >> > the
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> <type>Entry.toURL() api and deprecate to.URI()
>> into
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> > >> > release
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> candidate.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> Is ready to go, just need to retag if this
>> change
>> >> is
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> > go
>> >> >>> > >> in.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> -becky
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Becky Gibson <
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> gibson.be...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> iOS is tagged for 1.5.0rc1
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Simon
>> MacDonald
>> >> <
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> simon.macdon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> One test case was using escapeURL when it
>> should
>> >> >>> have
>> >> >>> > >> used
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> escapeURI
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> so
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> fixed it and checked it in. Also, in common-js
>> >> there
>> >> >>> > was
>> >> >>> > >> a
>> >> >>> > >> > bug
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>in
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> readEntries method where it was referencing
>> >> >>> > this.fullPath
>> >> >>> > >> > when
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>it
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> should
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> have been this.path. I fixed that as well.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I've regenerated the cordova.android.js file
>> and
>> >> >>> > checked
>> >> >>> > >> it
>> >> >>> > >> > in
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>> along
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> with
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> version bump for Android to 1.5.0rc1.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> >> >>> > >> > bows...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which test case?
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Simon
>> >> MacDonald <
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> simon.macdon...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will not be tagging Android today. There
>> are
>> >> a
>> >> >>> few
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>previously
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> passing
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> test cases in mobile-spec that are now
>> failing.
>> >> >>> Will
>> >> >>> > >> tag
>> >> >>> > >> > once
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> problem
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is resolved.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Steve Gill
>> <
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> stevengil...@gmail.com
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys,
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets tag 1.5.0rc1 today. Post here once
>> your
>> >> >>> repo is
>> >> >>> > >> > tagged.
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Steve
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Brian LeRoux <
>> >> >>> > b...@brian.io
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes from call this am
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - aim to release 1.5 on tues
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - cordova js unlikely for wp, ios,
>> blackberry
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - cordova rename from phonegap on track
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - coho release tool now does gpg signing:
>> >> need
>> >> >>> > input
>> >> >>> > >> > from
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> mentors
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cutting official apache release
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - plugins are breaking: create a wiki page
>> >> about
>> >> >>> > >> > updating
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> ---but
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins have bigger problems which we aim
>> to
>> >> >>> > address
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometime
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> between
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and 2.x
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >>>>>
>> >> >>> > >> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >> > >>
>> >> >>> > >> >
>> >> >>> > >>
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> >
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