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Today's Topics:
1. when to abort a dance (Chris Weiler)
2. Re: when to abort a dance (Alan Winston - SSRL Central
Computing)
3. Re: when to abort a dance (Robert Golder)
4. Please Correct A Pirate (Rickey)
5. Re: Please Correct A Pirate (David Giusti)
6. Re: when to abort a dance (Dan Black)
7. Re: Please Correct A Pirate (Tepfer, Seth)
8. Re: Please Correct A Pirate (Lisa Greenleaf)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:51:14 -0400
From: Chris Weiler <[email protected]>
Subject: [Callers] when to abort a dance
To: Shared Weight <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Hello everyone,
Tonight I had a pretty bad gig (just a hint: don't schedule a dentist
appointment for the afternoon before your gig). So tonight I made some
choreographic goofs when choosing my dances. One dance I realized that
it didn't flow as well as I would have hoped after the walkthrough.
Should I have aborted and called something else? Tom Hinds has a
line "I
don't like that dance, let's do something else". However, he usually
follows it by teaching the very same dance again. I stuck with it and
just ran the dance a little shorter.
The same thing happened a little later when I called two dances in
a row
with the sequence: ladies chain, ladies "x" once around, partner
swing.
I realized it during the walk through, but went ahead and called it
anyway.
What do you think? Abort or deal with it?
Chris Weiler
Goffstown, NH
http://www.chrisweiler.ws/
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:54:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] when to abort a dance
To: Chris Weiler <[email protected]>
Cc: Shared Weight <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Chris wrote:
Tonight I had a pretty bad gig (just a hint: don't schedule a dentist
appointment for the afternoon before your gig). So tonight I made
some
choreographic goofs when choosing my dances. One dance I realized
that
it didn't flow as well as I would have hoped after the walkthrough.
Should I have aborted and called something else? Tom Hinds has a
line "I
don't like that dance, let's do something else". However, he usually
follows it by teaching the very same dance again. I stuck with it and
just ran the dance a little shorter.
What wastes as little as possible of the dancer's time? Bag it if
it doesn't
work during the walkthrough, but if it's merely a little
infelicitous in the
dance and you can keep it working by prompting, then running it
long enough
that it feels like a dance, but not as long as a *good* dance seems
like a good
choice.
The same thing happened a little later when I called two dances in
a row
with the sequence: ladies chain, ladies "x" once around, partner
swing.
I realized it during the walk through, but went ahead and called
it anyway.
What do you think? Abort or deal with it?
Depends on the crowd, and on where you are in the evening. If
there are enough
beginners, doing something like this can be a positive, confidence-
building
strategy. If there are too many sharpies in the crowd, you can
expect joshing
later.
But you're really asking how to make judgments when your judgment's
impaired
(by pain or anesthesia or whatever). That's a harder question.
-- Alan
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:18:45 -0400
From: Robert Golder <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] when to abort a dance
To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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It's extremely useful to have some dances thoroughly memorized. I
would
call something else if I knew what the "something else" was going
to be
(preferably using one of my can't-fail memorized dances), and
understood why the new dance I selected was going to work better than
my original choice. Otherwise, I'd just accept that the next couple of
dances share some choreography, call them as well as possible, and
move
on. Whichever option you choose, decide quickly and carry out your
decision with confidence. ... Bob
Robert Jon Golder
164 Maxfield St
New Bedford, MA 02740 USA
508-999-2486
On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:51 AM, Chris Weiler wrote:
Hello everyone,
Tonight I had a pretty bad gig (just a hint: don't schedule a dentist
appointment for the afternoon before your gig). So tonight I made
some
choreographic goofs when choosing my dances. One dance I realized
that
it didn't flow as well as I would have hoped after the walkthrough.
Should I have aborted and called something else? Tom Hinds has a line
"I
don't like that dance, let's do something else". However, he usually
follows it by teaching the very same dance again. I stuck with it and
just ran the dance a little shorter.
The same thing happened a little later when I called two dances in a
row
with the sequence: ladies chain, ladies "x" once around, partner
swing.
I realized it during the walk through, but went ahead and called it
anyway.
What do you think? Abort or deal with it?
Chris Weiler
Goffstown, NH
http://www.chrisweiler.ws/
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:19:18 -0400
From: "Rickey" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <000001c8002f$1672e2f0$020fa8c0@maxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi I have some more incomplete notes on dances. Hard as I try, my
own notes
don?t always make sense to me when I get to look at them. I very much
appreciate the help I have gotten in the past. Here are questions
on some
more. If you know any of these dances I would appreciate you help
again.
Rickey Holt, Fremont, NH
A Pirate?s Life for Me, author?
(Duple Improper)
A1 Neighbor Balance and Swing
A2 Pass to a wave (men slide past each other into a wavey
line of 4
across the set)
??????
Men Allemande Left to Partner
B1 Partner Balance and Swing
B2 Women Dos 1 ?
Neighbor Gypsy (just a ?glance?)
Progress to New Neighbors
QUESTION: My notes on A2 seem incomplete
Feet in Flight, Dale Rempert
(Duple Improper)
in A1 (4) Balance the ring
(4) Ladies Roll neighbor GENT away with a 1/2 sashay
(Rt to L)
(8) Ladies chain to Partner
QUESTION: I am not familiar with doing a roll away from a circle
formation,
and by the time dancers are doing a ladies chain, I expect that
they are in
a line. How and when do you have dancers transition into a line
when you
call this dance.
QUESTION: I have the same problem in
FORTY MOHR YEARS, Sue Rosen
(Becket)
in B1 Balance the ring
Roll Away with a Half Sashay (Ladies or Gents Roll Away,
depending on the version)
Ladies Chain
Pedal Pushers, Bob Dalsemer
(Duple Improper)
in A1 Gents Al? Left 1 1/2,
Scoop Up Partner Star Promenade
Butterfly Twirl
QUESTION: What is the timing?
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:02:30 -0400
From: David Giusti <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
One of my favorite dances to call!
It's a Pirate's Life for Me, by Nathanial Jack
I got it from Nils Fredland's calling
improper
A1. N B+S
A2. Pass through to a short wavey line/ocean wave* (4), Balance the
wave
R+L (4)
Slide right (4), gents allemande left once (4)**
B1. P B+S
B2. Ladies allemande right 1 1/2
Neighbor allemande right 1 1/2 to new neighbor (actually 1 3/4,
but
who's counting)
*everybody passes through across; ladies catch left hands, give
right to
neighbor in short wave -- ladies in the middle, gents on ends.
**This is confusing during the walkthrough, since the gents actually
have to slide past two people, unlike the usual wave balance/slide
figure. As long as the gents allemande by the left hand, things
will be
fine -- you just have to make them beleive that's how the dance goes,
really.
-David Giusti
----- Original Message -----
From: Rickey <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:19 am
Subject: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: [email protected]
Hi I have some more incomplete notes on dances. Hard as I try, my
own notes
don?t always make sense to me when I get to look at them. I very
much
appreciate the help I have gotten in the past. Here are questions
on some
more. If you know any of these dances I would appreciate you help
again.
Rickey Holt, Fremont, NH
A Pirate?s Life for Me, author?
(Duple Improper)
A1 Neighbor Balance and Swing
A2 Pass to a wave (men slide past each other into a wavey
line of 4
across the set)
??????
Men Allemande Left to Partner
B1 Partner Balance and Swing
B2 Women Dos 1 ?
Neighbor Gypsy (just a ?glance?)
Progress to New Neighbors
QUESTION: My notes on A2 seem incomplete
Feet in Flight, Dale Rempert
(Duple Improper)
in A1 (4) Balance the ring
(4) Ladies Roll neighbor GENT away with a 1/2 sashay
(Rt to L)
(8) Ladies chain to Partner
QUESTION: I am not familiar with doing a roll away from a circle
formation,and by the time dancers are doing a ladies chain, I
expect that they are in
a line. How and when do you have dancers transition into a line
when you
call this dance.
QUESTION: I have the same problem in
FORTY MOHR YEARS, Sue Rosen
(Becket)
in B1 Balance the ring
Roll Away with a Half Sashay (Ladies or Gents Roll Away,
depending on the version)
Ladies Chain
Pedal Pushers, Bob Dalsemer
(Duple Improper)
in A1 Gents Al? Left 1 1/2,
Scoop Up Partner Star Promenade
Butterfly Twirl
QUESTION: What is the timing?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Black <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] when to abort a dance
To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Chris,
First off I'd like to say thanks for sharing the so called bad with
the so called good. So I am not the only caller that has learning
experiences, thanks for helping me not feel alone with this.
Pardon my soap box. If you could do it over again what would you
do different this time? The reason I say that is in August was a
learning experience for me. Doing a walkthrough from the stage and
it doesn't look right but I went with it anyway. Like you I ran it
short and got on with the next dance.
For me I would not call at the same monthly dance two months in a
row nor saying yes when I really didn't want to call. For me I
can't fake calling with enthusiasm. In this same dance, I tried a
dance that I had walked through the dance during the break at
another dance. I knew the dance worked but there was a glitch in
the progression during the walkthrough. After a demo and one walk
through, I canned the dance immediately. There was no way for me
to recover this after the problem dance in the first half.
See ya from the floor,
Dan Black
----- Original Message ----
From: Chris Weiler <[email protected]>
To: Shared Weight <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:51:14 AM
Subject: [Callers] when to abort a dance
Hello everyone,
Tonight I had a pretty bad gig (just a hint: don't schedule a dentist
appointment for the afternoon before your gig). So tonight I made some
choreographic goofs when choosing my dances. One dance I realized that
it didn't flow as well as I would have hoped after the walkthrough.
Should I have aborted and called something else? Tom Hinds has a
line "I
don't like that dance, let's do something else". However, he usually
follows it by teaching the very same dance again. I stuck with it and
just ran the dance a little shorter.
The same thing happened a little later when I called two dances in
a row
with the sequence: ladies chain, ladies "x" once around, partner
swing.
I realized it during the walk through, but went ahead and called it
anyway.
What do you think? Abort or deal with it?
Chris Weiler
Goffstown, NH
http://www.chrisweiler.ws/
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:27:35 -0400
From: "Tepfer, Seth" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
What's the story behind the name?
Seth Tepfer
Director of Administrative Computing
Oxford College of Emory University
[email protected]
770-784-8487
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:callers-
[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Giusti
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:03 AM
To: Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
One of my favorite dances to call!
It's a Pirate's Life for Me, by Nathanial Jack
I got it from Nils Fredland's calling
improper
A1. N B+S
A2. Pass through to a short wavey line/ocean wave* (4), Balance the
wave
R+L (4)
Slide right (4), gents allemande left once (4)**
B1. P B+S
B2. Ladies allemande right 1 1/2
Neighbor allemande right 1 1/2 to new neighbor (actually 1 3/4,
but
who's counting)
*everybody passes through across; ladies catch left hands, give
right to
neighbor in short wave -- ladies in the middle, gents on ends.
**This is confusing during the walkthrough, since the gents actually
have to slide past two people, unlike the usual wave balance/slide
figure. As long as the gents allemande by the left hand, things
will be
fine -- you just have to make them beleive that's how the dance goes,
really.
-David Giusti
----- Original Message -----
From: Rickey <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:19 am
Subject: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: [email protected]
Hi I have some more incomplete notes on dances. Hard as I try, my
own notes
don?t always make sense to me when I get to look at them. I very
much
appreciate the help I have gotten in the past. Here are questions
on some
more. If you know any of these dances I would appreciate you help
again.
Rickey Holt, Fremont, NH
A Pirate?s Life for Me, author?
(Duple Improper)
A1 Neighbor Balance and Swing
A2 Pass to a wave (men slide past each other into a wavey
line of 4
across the set)
??????
Men Allemande Left to Partner
B1 Partner Balance and Swing
B2 Women Dos 1 ?
Neighbor Gypsy (just a ?glance?)
Progress to New Neighbors
QUESTION: My notes on A2 seem incomplete
Feet in Flight, Dale Rempert
(Duple Improper)
in A1 (4) Balance the ring
(4) Ladies Roll neighbor GENT away with a 1/2 sashay
(Rt to L)
(8) Ladies chain to Partner
QUESTION: I am not familiar with doing a roll away from a circle
formation,and by the time dancers are doing a ladies chain, I
expect that they are in
a line. How and when do you have dancers transition into a line
when you
call this dance.
QUESTION: I have the same problem in
FORTY MOHR YEARS, Sue Rosen
(Becket)
in B1 Balance the ring
Roll Away with a Half Sashay (Ladies or Gents Roll Away,
depending on the version)
Ladies Chain
Pedal Pushers, Bob Dalsemer
(Duple Improper)
in A1 Gents Al? Left 1 1/2,
Scoop Up Partner Star Promenade
Butterfly Twirl
QUESTION: What is the timing?
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:49:30 -0400
From: Lisa Greenleaf <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Please Correct A Pirate
To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
B2. Ladies allemande right 1 1/2
Neighbor allemande right 1 1/2 to new neighbor (actually 1 3/4,
but
who's counting)
Nathaniel's original ending:
B2 Women Do-si-do 1.5 to face current neighbor.
Gypsy neighbor right 1+ to progress to new neighbor.
It's a little unusual, but it works.
-- Lisa
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