David, Greetings from Maine, glad to hear all is well with you... We've been presenting some community contradances for non-dancers/beginners this past summer, we are both new callers... We've had great results starting with a Bastringue style circle dance, then a Galopede longways set... Both are easy to call and dance to at the same time, and being right in the dance helps a lot because you're teaching by example... If people don't quite understand your instructions, they can watch and see what you are doing, and then the instruction makes more sense... These two dances, with instruction and walk through and some dancing should take up most of a half hour... After these two dances, we have a good idea whether we should continue on to a contra that progresses, and if so, we do Haste to the Wedding... We only add one new figure with each new dance that gets taught, and we look for that point where the dancers are not picking up anything new... From that point on, we select dances that have all the moves learned up to that point, but different sequences with different music so it feels like a new dance... Have plenty of flexibility in your program so that you can stay at the beginner level with circles & longways sets, and also have some easy duple contras in the event that the crowd gets it and wants to do more... Remember, if the dancers are having a good time, you're doing a great job! Good luck, and nice to hear from you... Richard & Pam Green
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Re: Japan dance and self intro/update (Lisa Sieverts) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 List-Post: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Subject: [Callers] Japan dance and self intro/update To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 [n.b. this has been 'cross posted' to the yahoo traditional callers list, in case anyone is on both lists...] This post from a llooonnnngg time dancer and first time caller who is requesting some advice for an unusual situation...but as it is my first post, I will explain a little about myself, and along the way that will explain the unusual situation and help guide and refine any replies. My name is david crespo, a name some of you no doubt fear -- I mean recognize -- or would (recognize, that is) (if you saw my ugly mug) (well, maybe fear...) from my 20 odd (quite odd) years of dancing and involvement in the dance community in New England, mostly Vermont (Etna, Norwich, Thetford, to Northern Spy etc.) and Maine (SMFA (Yarmouth), Falmouth, Bates, Bowdoinham...). As some of you thus know, about 3 years ago, at a Wake the Neighbors Bates dance I was met by a cute and not very frightening Japanese exchange student, Yukie, who with a very little gentle nudging at Deffa a week later, eventually (rapidly, that is) was able to parlay that happenstance circumstance into what is now a beautiful and happy marriage. She returned to Japan shortly after we completed our courtship and about a year later I followed. We're living in Kyoto. Alas, there is one tragic note attending this otherwise joyous and perfect scenario. Japan, you see, is a land thouroughly devoid of one essential nutrient: contradancing. You can imagine my dismay, tears, and lamentations. Sadly, then, since my arrival, I have been quietly (well not so quietly) teaching english while secretly incubating evil plans to conquer Japan, then Asia, then the world in 64 (drastic) measures (hmmm--- good name for a dance). This month, my long patient agony of waiting has begun to pay off. I have been given the opportunity to indoctrinate a few trusting and innocent souls into the sublime mysteries of la dance du contra and create an army of swiftfooted robots, ready and willing to do my bidding at every call. SOON I WILL CONQUER THE WORLD!!! ahem. please excuse me while my medicine kicks in. Ah, yes, thank you. OK, where was I? The fact is, my wife and I have been invited to lead a contradance workshop at a local festival on October 20. When we found out, we began doing as much research as we could on calling and so on. We found a few basic dances, like Baby Rose and Diane's Visit and Atonement Reel that we like and figured would be suitable and we have been practicing calling them. But I really welcome any suggestions... Actually, above and beyond some decades of doing things proper and improper, I took a caller workshop or two from Rick Mohr (thanks Rick) so I have a rough idea of what's involved. And I've learned a bit from practicing calling and writing a few ad hoc dances on my own. For example, I learned that being a dancer has habituated me to act ON the beat, but as a caller I need to act BEFORE the beat, eh....this flustered me at first. Are there any other typical first caller pointers we should be on the lookout for? In addition, there are a few other associated circumstances in this project that create the aforementioned unique situation. In brief (HA! fooled you), since I've rattled on too long, here is what I mean: I don't speak more than the rudiments of Japanese. My wife is still a beginner dancer, to wit, she isn't a strong enough one to call on her own. Between us we are trying to teach each other what the other lacks and hopefully make one good caller out of the two of us. One question that has come up is is it better to keep the standard names for the figures, or to Japanify them. (We are leaning to the former...Japanese has a very high percentage of english loan words, and they learn english (poooooorly) in school.) Still, has anyone ever tried to call across a language barrier? Japanese are touch sensitve. They don't touch, they don't give eye contact. They don't give weight. (They give wait). They don't hug. They don't even say I love you. They are very shy. For example, I am told that this is to the point that standing in a line of men facing a line of women is likely be uncomfortable, even for the younger generation, so Yukie feels we should use mixed couples with armbands to distinguish "gender"--I mean position. As we build a community of experienced dancers, it would be expected that some of this inhibition might wear off...). You can see why they need to dance. On the other hand, they are good followers. Any advice for working with a shy crowd? Some or many of the attendees at this workshop, we just found out, are likely to be children. Depending on the percentage, it may be necessary to do a kids dance, or at least a dance kids could enjoy. I am good at working with kids in general, but I would love any advice for doing a dance with young people. I don't know or haven't been able to find any children's dances, though I assume the Family Dance in Yarmouth is still up and I plan to contact Jeff Raymond about it, because I can't remember the caller's name (Nancy....) (though we have danced and chatted about dancing and calling several times at the May Day Festival...gads! say hi if you're listening..). So, children's dances are one thing I am looking for. We are working in a small space...maybe two lines of six couples each. Advice for small spaces???@ We are doing three workshops. If the same people return, we may do more advanced things, or we may just repeat teh workshop...but I would like to try different dances each time, for my practice. The room will be full of beginners, so no experienced dancers to rely on. Ballroom dancing had a certain following here (and in Kyoto there is a small set dancing group that we visited...small 14 or so... and a square dancing group that we plan to visit. ) but not enough to be helpful, in the sense that there are few cultural supports for learning (i.e. in the US most everyone knows (even if they don't admit it) how to at least fake a waltz or ballroom position...not here.) Think martian territory... I should add that we are seriously working towards starting a regular dance here (we've found an available and very suitable space, a church hall in a nearby church, for example) and this is for us a tryout and possible stepping stone. We want to whet people's appetite, and leave them wanting more. We have a half hour to do it... OK...apologies for the verbose and windy post. Fond regards to all of you I know, hajimemashite ("nice to meet you" in japanese, literally "beginning") to the rest and many thanks in advance for your time and help...cheers...david nothing rhymes with nostril... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 List-Post: [email protected] Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:23:07 -0400 From: Lindsay Morris Subject: Re: [Callers] Japan dance and self intro/update To: Caller's discussion list Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wow, you're biting off too much. Teach them community-dance stuff first - circle mixers, easy things to get them used to touching, allemanding, and giving weight. If they refuse to take hands and circle left, then I suggest you fake a heart attack and get out. Lindsay Morris Principal TSMworks [1]www.tsmworks.com 859-539-9900 [2][email protected] wrote: [n.b. this has been 'cross posted' to the yahoo traditional callers list, in cas e anyone is on both lists...] This post from a llooonnnngg time dancer and first time caller who is requesting some advice for an unusual situation...but as it is my first post, I will explain a little about myself, and along the way that will explain the unusual situation and help guide and refine any replies. My name is david crespo, a name some of you no doubt fear -- I mean recognize -- or would (recognize, that is) (if you saw my ugly mug) (well, maybe fear...) from my 20 odd (quite odd) years of dancing and involvement in the dance community in New England, mostly Vermont (Etna, Norwich, Thetford, to Northern Spy etc.) and Maine (SMFA (Yarmouth), Falmouth, Bates, Bowdoinham...). As some of you thus know, about 3 years ago, at a Wake the Neighbors Bates dance I was met by a cute and not very frightening Japanese exchange student, Yukie, who with a very little gentle nudging at Deffa a week later, eventually (rapidly, that is) was able to parlay that happenstance circumstance into what is now a beautiful and happy marriage. She returned to Japan shortly after we completed our courtship and about a year later I followed. We're living in Kyoto. Alas, there is one tragic note attending this otherwise joyous and perfect scenario. Japan, you see, is a land thouroughly devoid of one essential nutrient: contradancing. You can imagine my dismay, tears, and lamentations. Sadly, then, since my arrival, I have been quietly (well not so quietly) teaching english while secretly incubating evil plans to conquer Japan, then Asia, then the world in 64 (drastic) measures (hmmm--- good name for a dance). This month, my long patient agony of waiting has begun to pay off. I have been given the opportunity to indoctrinate a few trusting and innocent souls into the sublime mysteries of la dance du contra and create an army of swiftfooted robots, ready and willing to do my bidding at every call. SOON I WILL CONQUER THE WORLD!!! ahem. please excuse me while my medicine kicks in. Ah, yes, thank you. OK, where was I? The fact is, my wife and I have been invited to lead a contradance workshop at a local festival on October 20. When we found out, we began doing as much research as we could on calling and so on. We found a few basic dances, like Baby Rose and Diane's Visit and Atonement Reel that we like and figured would be suitable and we have been practicing calling them. But I really welcome any suggestions... Actually, above and beyond some decades of doing things proper and improper, I took a caller workshop or two from Rick Mohr (thanks Rick) so I have a rough idea of what's involved. And I've learned a bit from practicing calling and writing a few ad hoc dances on my own. For example, I learned that being a dancer has habituated me to act ON the beat, but as a caller I need to act BEFORE the beat, eh....this flustered me at first. Are there any other typical first caller pointers we should be on the lookout for? In addition, there are a few other associated circumstances in this project that create the aforementioned unique situation. In brief (HA! fooled you), since I've rattled on too long, here is what I mean: I don't speak more than the rudiments of Japanese. My wife is still a beginner dancer, to wit, she isn't a strong enough one to call on her own. Between us we are trying to teach each other what the other lacks and hopefully make one good caller out of the two of us. One question that has come up is is it better to keep the standard names for the figures, or to Japanify them. (We are leaning to the former...Japanese has a very high percentage of english loan words, and they learn english (poooooorly) in school.) Still, has anyone ever tried to call across a language barrier? Japanese are touch sensitve. They don't touch, they don't give eye contact. They don't give weight. (They give wait). They don't hug. They don't even say I love you. They are very shy. For example, I am told that this is to the point that standing in a line of men facing a line of women is likely be uncomfortable, even for the younger generation, so Yukie feels we should use mixed couples with armbands to distinguish "gender"--I mean position. As we build a community of experienced dancers, it would be expected that some of this inhibition might wear off...). You can see why they need to dance. On the other hand, they are good followers. Any advice for working with a shy crowd? Some or many of the attendees at this workshop, we just found out, are likely to be children. Depending on the percentage, it may be necessary to do a kids dance, or at least a dance kids could enjoy. I am good at working with kids in general, but I would love any advice for doing a dance with young people. I don't know or haven't been able to find any children's dances, though I assume the Family Dance in Yarmouth is still up and I plan to contact Jeff Raymond about it, because I can't remember the caller's name (Nancy....) (though we have danced and chatted about dancing and calling several times at the May Day Festival...gads! say hi if you're listening..). So, children's dances are one thing I am looking for. We are working in a small space...maybe two lines of six couples each. Advice for small spaces???@ We are doing three workshops. If the same people return, we may do more advanced things, or we may just repeat teh workshop...but I would like to try different dances each time, for my practice. The room will be full of beginners, so no experienced dancers to rely on. Ballroom dancing had a certain following here (and in Kyoto there is a small set dancing group that we visited...small 14 or so... and a square dancing group that we plan to visit. ) but not enough to be helpful, in the sense that there are few cultural supports for learning (i.e. in the US most everyone knows (even if they don't admit it) how to at least fake a waltz or ballroom position...not here.) Think martian territory... I should add that we are seriously working towards starting a regular dance here (we've found an available and very suitable space, a church hall in a nearby church, for example) and this is for us a tryout and possible stepping stone. We want to whet people's appetite, and leave them wanting more. We have a half hour to do it... OK...apologies for the verbose and windy post. Fond regards to all of you I know, hajimemashite ("nice to meet you" in japanese, literally "beginning") to the rest and many thanks in advance for your time and help...cheers...david nothing rhymes with nostril... __________________________________________________________________________ __________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. [3]http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list [4][email protected] [5]http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers References 1. http://www.tsmworks.com/ 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lindsay.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 243 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/attachments/20071002/c362d0bd/attachment-0001.vcf ------------------------------ Message: 3 List-Post: [email protected] Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg McKenzie Subject: Re: [Callers] Japan dance and self intro/update To: Caller's discussion list , Caller's discussion list Message-ID: <14921673.1191360020494.javamail.r...@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear David, I agree with Lindsay. Contras are hinged to a deep tradition and a well-established ritual. To start from scratch it will take at least a generation to get a "real" contra dance going. I suggest you put out the word through whatever media you can and try to contact other contra dancers in Japan. You may be surprised to learn how many there are. If you can get a crowd with at least 20% dancers with some contra experience you can make it work...provided your calling is very precise. I have organized three contra dance tours of the former Soviet Union. One thing I learned is that you don't need a caller who speaks the native tongue, as long as you have a core of experienced dancers. In fact, calling in English is recommended. The new dancers will learn by watching and dancing with those who have done it before. They won't learn from verbal descriptions in any language. Good Luck, Greg McKenzie -----Original Message----- >From: Lindsay Morris >Sent: Oct 2, 2007 3:23 PM >To: Caller's discussion list >Subject: Re: [Callers] Japan dance and self intro/update > > Wow, you're biting off too much. > Teach them community-dance stuff first - circle mixers, easy things to > get them used to touching, allemanding, and giving weight. > If they refuse to take hands and circle left, then I suggest you fake a > heart attack and get out. >Lindsay Morris >Principal >TSMworks >[1]www.tsmworks.com >859-539-9900 ------------------------------ Message: 4 List-Post: [email protected] Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [Callers] Japan dance and self intro/update To: Greg McKenzie Cc: Caller's discussion list Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii I've been watching this with interest, and I just remembered: There's English Country Dancing in Tokyo (which may be unfeasibly far away from where you guys are). The Tokyo Folk Dance Club has brought over callers like Bruce Hamilton and Sharon Green, and we had a nice visit this June (at the Northern California Mad Robin Ball) from 16 Japanese ladies and two Japanese gentlemen, who did just fine in complicated dances which certainly involved lining up in opposite lines. taking hands, etc. Also, ECD (and contra) caller Jenny Beer has done a bunch of transcultural American-Japanese consulting and may have useful things to say on this topic; you could write to her at jbeer at culture-at-work dot com (See the website, http://www.culture-at-work.com to find about her expertise on this issue; see the Germantown Country Dancers page to see about her ECD and contra expertise.) If you want to write to Bruce or Sharon about this - and their experience, with an already-existing club of folk dance enthusiasts who do ballroom-like dance may not be that relevant - write me off-list and I'll provide their emails. -- Alan > Dear David, > I agree with Lindsay. Contras are hinged to a deep tradition and a > well-established ritual. To start from scratch it will take at least a > generation to get a "real" contra dance going. > I suggest you put out the word through whatever media you can and try to > contact other contra dancers in Japan. You may be surprised to learn how many > there are. If you can get a crowd with at least 20% dancers with some contra > experience you can make it work...provided your calling is very precise. === message truncated === --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
