John, I agree with you on the saddle-style/classic Eastern star. What I was
referring to are the very infrequent individuals I encounter that want to
do an allemande by "hooking" my offered upright hand with their closed fist
& wrist-cocked lower forearm. I have no idea where they got this but there
are a couple of gents in my area that do this as their standard move.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:04 AM, John Sweeney <[email protected]>wrote:

> My experience is the exact opposite.  I have never felt any discomfort
> in a box star, but often have problems in a hands-across star. In a
> hands-across star you can often get your hand gripped uncomfortably by
> the person opposite, or yanked off-centre by them, or it devolves into
> an uncomfortable lump in the middle, especially when someone decides
> that the two pairs of hands need to be joined (they don't) and uses
> their thumb to clamp all the hands together.
>
> I was taught this a long time ago:
> Rule #1: Everyone has the right to get on the dance-floor and have fun
> without getting injured.
>
> Another key rule is:
> Always start at zero tension and build up to the minimum that you need
> to execute the move.
>
> For example, when you start an Allemande you don't need any tension
> other than that necessary to hold your hand up in the air. It is only as
> you gain angular momentum that you need to tense up to counter the
> centrifugal force, keeping your body in the same relative position and
> your hand in the middle.  The tension should increase steadily and
> equally so that you maintain a good counter-balance.
>
> Another good example is the box star. You just gently hook your hand
> over the person in front.  You don't apply any pressure in any way; you
> just hook your fingers so that you are connected to the person in front.
> During the star, IF you feel the need to hurry the star, YOU have the
> OPTION to speed up and pull the person behind you a little faster.  If
> anyone in the star feels uncomfortable as the star speeds up they can
> just straighten their fingers so that their hand slides off.
>
> Too many dancers use unnecessary force.  They need to learn that it is
> about technique, not strength.  And if you are leading a lady into
> twirls or swing variations then a strong lead is about clarity, not
> about strength.
>
> As callers I believe we should all slip a couple of brief hints into our
> calling every time we call.  There are always newcomers at events, so we
> can direct the hints to them in the hope that some of the "experienced"
> dancers will pick them up.
>
>            Happy dancing,
>                   John
>
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> From: Don Veino <[email protected]>
>
> >From an earlier post - I also abhor the "wrist hook" allemande. When I
> encounter that I always attempt to shift to a hand grip. Failing success
> on that I simply let go. It can do a real job on your tendons, not to
> mention the sweat factor... :(
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