Discussion of the details of a standardized format is a separate discussion. I will agree with that.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Chris Lahey <[email protected]> wrote: > You're absolutely right that something like that could go up fairly > quickly. I'm just afraid that it would take away from the possibility > of something much more useful, though harder to obtain. I don't think > it's forking the discussion to discuss whether this is a good idea. > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Alan Winston <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I think this discussion is forking already. >> >> If contra dances are going in Caller's Companion Online, or whatever, then, >> yes, a standardized format is very important, and the XML-coded dances can >> be searchable blobs in a database with links to video, suggested audio >> tracks, calendars, or whatever. >> >> However, if what we're talking about is a textual representation of contra >> dance instructions posted by someone official with comments available on the >> post then all we need is some Wordpress software, a commenter code of >> conduct, and someone with a stick to who's able to remove inappropriate >> comments. And the dance instructions don't actually have to use >> standardized terminology or a standardized format; they're just text files. >> If you want to make them searchable by, eg, 'hey for four', etc, you can >> attach keyword tags to the post. >> >> If the intellectual property concerns are sorted out, the technology is a >> done deal already. >> >> I would even say that you could just give posting rights to anyone who asks >> for them with the understanding that they'll only post their own stuff. >> Community upvote/downvote will pretty clearly, and soon, show who's posting >> dances worth looking at. CDSS doesn't have to maintain an editorial >> function; this can be useful regardless. >> >> -- Alan >> >> >> On 12/11/2013 4:57 PM, Mark Hillegonds wrote: >>> >>> With a standard format, it would be interesting to then consider a >>> graphics portions of the database, which could provide a visualization of >>> the dance. >>> >>> And speaking of videos, it would be worth considering storing links to >>> actual videos of the dances. >>> >>> Mark Hillegonds >>> >>> Cell: 734-756-8441 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> >>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Chris Lahey <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I believe that it's important to have the contra dances in a database >>>> be in a standardized format. This will make it much easier for people >>>> to use them, to exchange them, and I hope will improve the folk >>>> process. >>>> >>>> I've started discussion and coding on an interchange format and have a >>>> lot of ideas about making a database. I started working on this about >>>> a year ago, but got distracted. I would love to work on it again. >>>> The main thing I need help with is making sure people have interest in >>>> what I'm doing and getting feedback on my work. >>>> >>>> For those that are technically minded, the small start that I've made >>>> is here: https://github.com/clahey/folkdancedb/wiki/_pages I would >>>> love any feedback people have about the semantics rules and format. >>>> >>>> Looking at it from the point of view of a user, I realize there is >>>> probably a lot of complexity there, but hopefully any of that >>>> complexity will be hidden from users by whatever software there is. >>>> If people have any suggestions of ways to make this simpler while >>>> still keeping accuracy, please make suggestions. >>>> >>>> I've also realized that there's no example files, so I will make that >>>> my first task. Well maybe my second task with my first task being a >>>> TODO page. >>>> >>>> Again, the URL for the wiki is currently: >>>> https://github.com/clahey/folkdancedb/wiki/_pages >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Les Addison <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 to Andrea and Kalia. >>>>> >>>>> I like the idea of an online repository with notes/comments. It is >>>>> possible to set up a wiki so that people can upload a dance and that >>>>> only >>>>> comments to the dance can be made by others/edited. >>>>> >>>>> I understand not wanting to have Yelp-like problems with phony reviews >>>>> and >>>>> grudge-fests, but I think that is something that can be maintained via >>>>> requiring CDSS membership and a non-anonymous log in/commenting >>>>> mechanism. >>>>> >>>>> Les >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Kalia Kliban <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/11/2013 3:51 AM, Perry Shafran wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm trying to figure out why having a database of dances would detract >>>>>>> from the folk process. Isn't the folk process considered the handing >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> of material from person to person, generation to generation? And >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> that not also include the way that material is handed down? I think >>>>>>> that a >>>>>>> database of dances is extremely helpful to the evolution of the folk >>>>>>> process. When the web evolved, people put their dances on the web for >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> to see, use, adapt. Now we have the cloud, and callers can share >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> dances using a cloud-based database. Considering that this is what >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> highly requested on the survey, I think that we need to find ways to >>>>>>> create >>>>>>> this repository of dances that also respects the rights of the >>>>>>> choreographers who write them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> True enough, but hearing the experience of others with those dances can >>>>>> be >>>>>> really helpful. Just like on a recipe site, reading the comments can >>>>>> make >>>>>> a world of difference. If a preponderance of the commenters say "the >>>>>> dough >>>>>> was really sticky when freshly mixed, but a few minutes in the fridge >>>>>> made >>>>>> it perfectly easy to handle," or "letting the dancers who are out at >>>>>> the >>>>>> ends know not to cross over until _after_ the partner dosido solved the >>>>>> end >>>>>> effect problem," that would be really useful information to have. I'm >>>>>> all >>>>>> in favor of putting the dances up in original form, but followup user >>>>>> commentary is also incredibly helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kalia >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Callers mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Callers mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Callers mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
