We have a band in the LA area that does the looping thing, but they are able to change speed. It DOES mean that somebody has to step on the foot treadle to stop the loop, so the bass is live again, rather than recorded. In their case it is only the bass that gets looped, and as a caller I am aware of the fact that if I want them to change speed, it is a whole lot easier on everyone if I make that decision in the first 32 bars, before the guitarist hits the loop button and swaps his guitar for a mandolin. I can't say I like the arrangement, but I have learned to live with it, and being aware of how they operate helps a lot. On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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Re: Role play (Tim Klein) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:44:34 -0600 > From: Ben Hornstein <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Role Play > Message-ID: > <cag+h1oo3xrzo9dahp7aj50s55adv8jpaanvqgf16o-iuqdg...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > As callers, it's our responsibility to be aware of the gig we booked. We > should be familiar with the level of the dancers, the style of the band, > and what this particular community expects. It is the band's responsibility > to provide good music for the dancers, so they also need to be aware > (albeit perhaps to a lesser degree) of the level of the dancers, the > ability of the caller, and what this particular community expects. > > To your first story about looping, the band should have been able to slow > down the next time through the dance, even though it may be a pain to redo > the looping. It would have affected the sound, so they could have let you > know that they would only slow down if you thought it was extremely > necessary. > > To your second story about the band using a metronome, that sounds like a > band that isn't very good. They need to practice being more responsive to > the dancers' ability. > > For your last story, if the band wants a certain mix, that is their right. > Perhaps their style is for the guitar to be louder than the fiddle (maybe > they think the fiddler isn't that good, but don't want to hurt his/her > feelings). As a sound guy, you can do a sound check, then suggest > modifications for the monitors or house. Ultimately, I think it should be > up to the band to decide how they want to sound. > > In the future, I think the role of the caller will not be different, but as > bands get more complicated, so will dealing with them. The band and caller > should do their best to work well with each other to provide the best > possible dance environment for the evening. > > -Ben Hornstein > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:26:00 -0700 > From: Ben Werner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Contra Connections - Does this Dance Exist? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hey All, > > I'm a new caller in the group and just wrote a dance and wanted to see if my > chosen title has been used or if the dance has been written. > > The neat thing about it is that number one couples can remain connected > during their duration as ones. > > Thanks! > Ben > > Contra Connection > > Beckett > Ben Werner > > A1: (16) Balance Square through 2 Left hand over connection > A2: (16) Petronella x 2 > B1: (16) Balance & Swing Partner Calie Swing > B2: (8) Promenade fishhook left > (8) Star left 1 time around w new neighbors > > Inspired by Carol Ormand?s Contra Connection set @ Stellar Days and Nights > 2014 in Buena Vista > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:44:08 -0800 > From: Alan Winston <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Contra Connections - Does this Dance Exist? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Ben -- > > Don't understand what you mean about the number one couples remaining > connected during their duration as ones. Holding a hand? > Are they holding on to each other during the Balance and square thru 2? > How does that work? > > Also, it's "ceili swing", not "Calie". (It's an Irish Gaelic word - > Scots Gaelic is 'ceilidh'.) > > Anyway, haven't seen the dance before. Title sounds maybe kinda generic. > > -- Alan > > > On 2/26/2014 4:26 PM, Ben Werner wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> I'm a new caller in the group and just wrote a dance and wanted to see if my >> chosen title has been used or if the dance has been written. >> >> The neat thing about it is that number one couples can remain connected >> during their duration as ones. >> >> Thanks! >> Ben >> >> Contra Connection >> Beckett >> Ben Werner >> >> A1: (16) Balance Square through 2 Left hand over connection >> A2: (16) Petronella x 2 >> B1: (16) Balance & Swing Partner Calie Swing >> B2: (8) Promenade fishhook left >> (8) Star left 1 time around w new neighbors >> >> Inspired by Carol Ormand?s Contra Connection set @ Stellar Days and Nights >> 2014 in Buena Vista >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:13:19 -0800 > From: Michael Dyck <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Contra Connections - Does this Dance Exist? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 14-02-26 04:26 PM, Ben Werner wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> I'm a new caller in the group and just wrote a dance and wanted to see >> ifmy chosen title has been used or if the dance has been written. > > If you go to http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index and do a Title > search for "Contra Connection", you'll get two hits: > "Contra Connection" by Peter Baker > (in 'Great Contras and Squares from the Great Lakes State') > and > "The Contra Connection" by Dale Rempert > (in 'Hill Country Contras') > > The sequence of figures doesn't match anything in my personal collection. > > -Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:25:31 -0800 > From: Jeff Kaufman <[email protected]> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Role Play > Message-ID: > <cak36jcnq_9yh_ktg0y7ido79qyflgvpvyqtsppkmy9tlenq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Ben Hornstein <[email protected]> > wrote: >> For your last story, if the band wants a certain mix, that is their right. >> Perhaps their style is for the guitar to be louder than the fiddle (maybe >> they think the fiddler isn't that good, but don't want to hurt his/her >> feelings). As a sound guy, you can do a sound check, then suggest >> modifications for the monitors or house. Ultimately, I think it should be >> up to the band to decide how they want to sound. >> > > What mix is appropriate will depend on the hall. At the very least > there's a difference between small venues where you're going to hear > the instruments mostly acoustically and large ones where people are > mostly hearing via the PA system. The sound person needs to be able > to change relative levels, and maybe put eq or compression on > individual instruments, to make the band sound best for the situation. > > But what makes what Tom described worse is that this band was relying > on the hall sound system for monitors. This meant that if their needs > for hearing themselves were different from the hall needs there just > wasn't a way to make both sound right. > > If a band wants to supply a single mix to the hall PA system I think > they need to at least (1) run it by the sound person in advance, (2) > make it clear they're happy to make changes when requested to fit what > the hall needs, and (3) send the hall a separate mix for the monitor. > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:20:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Tim Klein <[email protected]> > To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Role play > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Tom wrote: "In the future will the role of the caller (and sound dude) change > for?the worse or the better or will it just be different?" > > For the recent Knoxville contra dance weekend, "Cabin Fever", we built a > robot "C.H.A.D." that called a contra dance Friday night. > > It's not going to take our jobs anytime soon, but there's a precedent now. > > Tim Klein > w/ Earl McGill > > P.S. Chad loops too, but has a dial to adjust his speed. > > > ________________________________ > From: Tom Hinds <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:49 AM > Subject: [Callers] Role play > > > I've come to the conclusion that in an effort to please and wow the? > dancers the contra movement may at times change in ways I don't feel? > comfortable with. > > Several years ago I called with "the latest rage band".? At one point? > I asked the musicians to slow down.? "No can do" was their reply.? > Turns out they were doing this thang called looping.? This country? > boy ain't never heard of no loopin'. > > How about warning me ahead of time? > > > My wife recently called to a band where, after several times through? > the dance she asked them to slow down.? "No can do" was their reply.? > Turns out they were using a metronome to keep a steady beat.? And? > they have a drummer!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? > > How about warning her ahead of time? > > A couple of months ago I was doing sound for a band that has copied? > "a couple of the latest rage bands" and they handed me a cord.? "This? > is our mix" they said.? For years we've been balancing the volume of? > the monitor mix independently from the house mix.? Not that night.? > So what if the guitar is louder than the fiddle. > > In the future will the role of the caller (and sound dude) change for? > the worse or the better or will it just be different?? Maybe you've? > had similar experiences. > > Tom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 114, Issue 62 > **************************************** >
