[Callers] Fwd: Fw: Shadow Swing Disclaimers?

[Andrea Nettleton via Callers]

> 
> Maia,
> Did we give you what you needed?  If so, could you let us know and put a stop 
> to the thread?  Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting 
> off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers.  
> Summary of suggestions, as best I remember:
> 1) don't call the dance
> 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach.
> 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the 
> possibility of a swing.
> 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow either 
> swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places either facing 
> across or with one person facing across ready to do the next move (if the 
> substitute was an allemande 1.5)).  
> 
> While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community 
> to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that some 
> might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number of 
> reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger.  
> Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an 
> alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the moment. 
>  
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong.  Could we leave this alone unless someone has a 
> truly new idea for Maia?
> 
> Thanks,
> Andrea
> 
> Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask
> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers 
>>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth 
>>>>> <luke.do...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers 
>>>>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems
>>>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance.
>>>> 
>>>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have
>>>> come across as crass and inappropriate.  Asking about shadow swings
>>>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women
>>>> dancers isn't.
>>> 
>>> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is
>>> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close,
>>> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or
>>> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one
>>> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant
>>> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body
>>> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own
>>> body).
>> 
>> Well, I share Luke's assessment.  The phrasing you used to compare shadow
>> swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference
>> between groping and a shadow swing.  Regardless of the seriousness with
>> which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other
>> people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given
>> Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings
>> are appropriate.
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