In southern-style square dancing, there are several variations on a figure which is often called “dosido” for two couples, and they are nothing like what Luke is imagining. They go by names like Georgia Rangtang, Georgy-Alabam, Do-si, Dosido and (I think) in MWSD a version of it is called Do Paso. That’s not to say that the figure you are describing isn’t a good one for your dance; it’s just another reason to avoid calling it a dosido.
Richard `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Richard Hopkins Tallahassee FL 850-544-7614 [email protected] > On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:01 PM, via Callers <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers) > 2. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance (Aahz via Callers) > 3. 4 person do-si-do? (Luke Donforth via Callers) > 4. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Tom Hinds via Callers) > 5. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > (Aahz Maruch via Callers) > 6. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Aahz Maruch via Callers) > 7. Re: Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > (Bill Olson via Callers) > 8. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Hilton Baxter via Callers) > 9. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Rich Sbardella via Callers) > 10. Re: 4 person do-si-do? (Don Veino via Callers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:27:22 -0800 > From: Aahz via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Howdy, > > I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm > busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership > Conference: > > http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/ > > If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far > away to make sense. ;-) > > There will be 100+ college students. The theme for this year's > conference is "diversity", and they would prefer a caller who can fit the > theme in addition to having experience with one-night-stand environments. > > I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the > responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and > available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat > difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's > Ralph Page weekend. > > I probably will also be sending out an e-mail blast to people I have > addresses for, apologies if you get this twice. They have already > contacted other callers so you may actually get three copies... > -- > Square/Contra Caller http://caller.aahz.ws/ > <*> <*> <*> > "Those who hear not the music think the dancers mad." > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800 > From: Aahz via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote: >> >> I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm >> busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership >> Conference: >> >> http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/ >> >> If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far >> away to make sense. ;-) > > Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is > California. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 05:45:27 -0500 > From: Luke Donforth via Callers <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: > <CAFrKOZbyzOSGTT2YwMjcghwcmXnQi+ek0J-=ekz0qkjggli...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s. > Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test > things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight... > > Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square > dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person > do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of: > > Doubled-si-do > Four Facing Four > > A1 ----------- > (4) Give and Gents take (up and down) > (12) Neighbor swing > A2 ----------- > (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in > (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x > B1 ----------- > (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x > (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x > B2 ----------- > (16) Partner balance and swing > End facing line of direction > > In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but > not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have > less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the > chain. > > Thoughts? > > Thank you > > -- > Luke Donforth > [email protected] <[email protected]> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151201/18d8ab09/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:55:12 -0500 > From: Tom Hinds via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Luke Donforth <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Luke, > > There have been times when I've tried new ideas and the dancers > figured out an easier way. Or said differently they saw through the > complexity and thought it was not worth the effort. I'm not saying > this is true for your dance but it's something to be prepared for. > > In terms of timing I'd guess that the 4 person do-si-do is going to > take more than 8 beats. > > Tom > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:10:56 -0800 > From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote: >> >> I've offered to be a filter so that they don't need to deal with the >> responses, so please respond privately to me if you're interested and >> available. I've already explained that booking will be somewhat >> difficult both because of the relatively short notice and because it's >> Ralph Page weekend. > > Thanks to the several people who told me about Contra Carnivale, that's > proof I'm currently out of the loop on the contra side. ;-) > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:22:40 -0800 > From: Aahz Maruch via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote: >> >> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square >> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person >> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of: > > In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called > zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're > doing here. > >> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but >> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have >> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the >> chain. > >> From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance > equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of > do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the > contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling) > and ending up facing the same direction at the end. > > I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around > the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw, > failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the > concept: > > * keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around > > * exactly the same thing as an armless allemande > > Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I > think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-) > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:04:53 +0000 > From: Bill Olson via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Aahz <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think most people figured that one out! Go Cardinals!! Win PAC 12 title! > >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:10:45 -0800 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Callers] Caller needed: 1/16 Stanford barn dance >> From: [email protected] >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015, Aahz via Callers wrote: >>> >>> I've been asked to run a barn dance Saturday Jan 16, 9pm-11pm, but I'm >>> busy. The dance will be part of the Western Regional Outdoor Leadership >>> Conference: >>> >>> http://outdoored.stanford.edu/center/wrolc-2016/ >>> >>> If you don't know where Stanford is, you're probably coming from too far >>> away to make sense. ;-) >> >> Someone pointed out that I should at least have mentioned that this is >> California. >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151201/caa3e4db/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:10:16 -0500 > From: Hilton Baxter via Callers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I wrote a dance with a 4 person do-si-do and have called it a few times. > Whoever has to travel from the far corners will need an extra couple of > beats, so it's good to have a "soft" figure after the do-si-do for 4, so > the folks arrive late (men, in your dance, Luke) can catch up somewhat > gracefully. > > As for treating it as a gypsy for 4, in my dance people liked going > forward and then twirling away to the right and back to place. This was > probably because it gave some ccw movement to contrast cw turns > elsewhere in the dance. To teach the figure, I've had dancers do a RH > star "but just pretend to touch" then walk through with twirls over L > shoulder. > > Hilton Baxter > > > > On 12/1/15 10:22 AM, Aahz Maruch via Callers wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 01, 2015, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote: >>> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square >>> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person >>> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of: >> In the normal duple improper formation, a four-person do-si-do is called >> zigzag, there are lots of dances with that. But that's not what you're >> doing here. >> >>> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but >>> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have >>> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the >>> chain. >> From my POV, that's a four-person gypsy. Or maybe the square dance >> equivalent would be promenade inside the ring. The key element of >> do-si-do is facing the same direction during the movement (modulo the >> contra variant of a spinning do-si-do or square dancing's highland fling) >> and ending up facing the same direction at the end. >> >> I recently saw a square dance caller struggle with explaining Walk Around >> the Corner (which is square dancing's equivalent of gypsy) and See Saw, >> failing to mention either of the "easy" ways of getting across the >> concept: >> >> * keep your shoulder toward the person you're walking around >> >> * exactly the same thing as an armless allemande >> >> Anyway, there are probably several ways to call what you want, but I >> think that do-si-do ain't one of them. ;-) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:08:28 -0500 > From: Rich Sbardella via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Luke Donforth <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: > <CAE4BujLVWfDArVtrTdUY-mffVCX83EFLui3zZzqG24YQF=4...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Luke, > > In modern square dance a left hand star without hands is simply called > promenade inside. By definition a right hand star w/o hands would be a > reverse promenade inside. Both would take 8 beats/steps to accomplish in a > square, and probably close to eight beats in a mescolanza. > > I do not quite understand your comment about the women, as they will all > have to adjust there walk around to accomodate for the last women into the > "handless star" or promenade. > > Unless I am misunderstanding your concept, this does not resemble a dosido > in any fashion, and I believe using that term might muddy the use of Dosido > and As Couples Dosido. > > Rich Sbardella > Stafford, CT > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s. >> Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test >> things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight... >> >> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square >> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person >> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of: >> >> Doubled-si-do >> Four Facing Four >> >> A1 ----------- >> (4) Give and Gents take (up and down) >> (12) Neighbor swing >> A2 ----------- >> (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in >> (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x >> B1 ----------- >> (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x >> (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x >> B2 ----------- >> (16) Partner balance and swing >> End facing line of direction >> >> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but >> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have >> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the >> chain. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thank you >> >> -- >> Luke Donforth >> [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151201/19ea7ed8/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:21:00 -0500 > From: Don Veino via Callers <[email protected]> > To: Luke Donforth <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] 4 person do-si-do? > Message-ID: > <CAAJTtiJeho-rMBkH-c9g6rdhS0ppc5+XZQE=ryrcvkzxsjz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > With respect to Tom's prior comment about dancers substituting the simplest > interpretation sometimes, I think this dance could have that apply. > > Up through the A2 Ladies Chain you are in lines of four facing > configuration (as opposed to square). If the Dosidos happen in two groups > of 2 (parallel traditional Dosidos) up and down then that formation is > maintained, timing is proven and the Circle entry still has the same > inertia. > > -Don > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> It's 5 am, and I find myself awake and writing dances; specifically 4x4s. >> Unfortunately, I don't have 8 dancers waiting on my insomnia to test >> things, so I figured I'd send them to shared weight... >> >> Possibly this is a choreographic question already answered in square >> dancing, but I'm not familiar with the outcome. How well does a four person >> do-si-do work? I'm thinking of something along the lines of: >> >> Doubled-si-do >> Four Facing Four >> >> A1 ----------- >> (4) Give and Gents take (up and down) >> (12) Neighbor swing >> A2 ----------- >> (8) Women's Chain back to partner (up and down), turn to face in >> (8) All four Women Do-si-do 1x >> B1 ----------- >> (8) All four Men Do-si-do 1x >> (8) All eight Circle Left 1/2x >> B2 ----------- >> (16) Partner balance and swing >> End facing line of direction >> >> In my head, the four person do-si-do is a right hand star sans hands; but >> not sure how well it'll fly; especially since the right diagonal women have >> less far to turn to face in than the left diagonal women coming out of the >> chain. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thank you >> >> -- >> Luke Donforth >> [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20151201/71279bcc/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 20, Issue 1 > **************************************
