Actually, I wrote that. It was included in Alan’s post. Martha > On Jan 23, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Rich Sbardella via Callers > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Alan wrote, "As for me - as a dance choreographer - please feel free to > spread my dances - they are on my website, and I wrote them to go out into > the world and be fruitful and multiply and all that." > > Thank you Alan for your generosity. > > My comments below are related to the square dance and contra dance worlds, > since I am unaware of ECD norms. > > I wish that their was a central website that could serve as a dance swap, or > dance sharing site. Any caller that wanted to make their choreo available > could then easily upload the dances, and folks like me could easily download > or at leat view the material. If a caller chose to keep his dances > proprietary, he could make that choice as well. It would be great to be able > to search for dances by title and choreography as well. > > As a caller that called MWSD and has migrated to contras. it was a bit of a > surprise how some contra calllers commercially published dance choreography > for a particular set of dances. In MWSD, 64 step dances are quite the norm > for singing calls, and many callers have developed quite interesting figures. > Several callers have published compilations of singing call figures without > crediting thei original choreographers. If I danced a figure, and I enjoyed > it, it was perfectly acceptable to use that figure in a different singing > call., in fact it was encouraged. I often searched websites, not > necessarily for music to buy, but rather for dance figures. > > In the contra world, I have met callers very liberal with their dances, and > they will freely provide choreography. Some are honored, or even flattered, > when another caller calls their dance. Other callers are more protective of > their choreography, for what ever reason. They may sell that choreography > in booklet or recorded form. That is certainly within their rights. I have > purchased many such booklets. > > However, when I go to a dance as a dancer, I am looking for smooth and/or > interesting choreography to add to my collection of dances. I may take notes > on several dances, but I seldom use more that one or two dances that I pick > up on any given evening. I am guessing that this is ethical. > > Last weekend, I danced to a caller that was new to me. He has written many > dances and I especially enjoyed two of the ones he called. When I emailed > him about the dances, he sent me the requested choreography, along with a few > others he wrote. He was more generous than I hoped for. > > I also have a basement full of dance books, records and CDs by many callers > and bands. When it is available, I often take advantage of the opportunity > to purchase material as a way to support artists. I also find much > choreography on line. Youtube is a valuable resource. There are many other > resources as well. Many callers have websites with their dances published > for the free use of others. > > My cards always indicate the author of the dance, or the source, if I do not > know the author, and I most often announce the author when I call dance. The > concept that someone own's choreography is difficult for me to understand, > since most dances incorporate elements of previous dances, or moves borrowed > from someone, or somewhere. I understand that choreographers can innovate as > they write dances, but really are not most, or maybe all, dances really just > variations of others, either in part or in whole? > > Rich > Stafford, CT > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Winston, Alan P. via Callers > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> > wrote: > > > On 1/22/2016 7:02 PM, Martha Wild via Callers wrote: > Call a dance written by someone else: > Pretty much always, is my guess. If I note down a dance at a festival and I > like it, I call it, and try to get all attributions for announcement. Maybe > if there was a caller who stipulate that no one was to call their dances > without express permission or proof they’d bought the book - but I don’t know > of a caller doing that. > Agreed! > > Publish a dance written by someone else: > If the dance is on the author's open website, or I know the caller personally > and know they are happy to have their dances spread throughout the community, > then fine. If a dance is in a book that one has to buy, then never - might > mention the name and author, and maybe the book, but I wouldn’t give out the > dance details. Don’t know? Don’t publish it. > I assume you're using "publish" to mean "disseminate" - give out the > instructions on mailing lists, let people see your card, whatever. > If so, agreed! To be excessively anal about it, I would disagree if > "publish" meant "include in a collection I was putting out to sell" (without > getting express permission from the author.) > > > Modify, borrow from, a dance written by someone else? > Always! If it’s a small change and I’m calling it I just give the author > credit and say it’s a slight variant (forward and back instead of circle left > for example). Using an interesting figure and sticking it in a new context > substantially different from the original - no problem, but I might credit > the original on a website for example - “inspired by Title, by So-and-So”. > Agreed. And sometimes the name of the new dance can have a nod to the name > of the old dance. > > Very different from English Country, by the way. If someone has written a > dance there, and you realize that a turn single left would be so much more > intuitive and flow better than a turn single right, heaven forfend that you > should suggest changing the author’s original intention! Even if maybe it was > an oversight originally! Liberty is NOT to be taken, at least with modern > dances - though it’s a little grayer with traditional dances that various > people interpret differently because the original directions are sometimes > obscure. > > Not *always*. I have seen respected ECD leaders call things differently > than they were written, although they usually call attention to it when doing > it. I have also had someone ask me if a particular modification of a dance > I'd written - a right-hand turn instead of a g-word - was acceptable to me, > and I said "sure", and wasn't honked that he called it that way. I was > pleased when he put it on the program of a ball he was calling, and then > honked when the ball booklet had the modified version and listed the dance as > a collaboration between the two of us. > > > > As for me - as a dance choreographer - please feel free to spread my dances - > they are on my website, and I wrote them to go out into the world and be > fruitful and multiply and all that. > Thanks for that! I've called some of them and been happy to have them. > > -- Alan > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net> > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
Re: [Callers] Choreography and Copyright
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