Hey Ric,
Some thoughts:
I have danced chains up and down, as the lady, and really hate them. There's
often too little room between sets for the ladies from adjacent hands four to
safely and comfortably pass without bumping. Variable skill level and
attention increases that risk. Why up and down?
If you want a partner swing, how about after a neighbor swing, diagonal chain
to shadow, then swat the flea and pull by to P? If it doesn't matter who you
are getting to, chain to N from becket, then STF and pull by to swing a new N.
Still by and large the same movement, but with normal chains to start, and, I
dare say, you'd already be facing the one you want to swing, no rotating to
find them.
About the transition to L hand hold for STF, I realized as I was writing that I
didn't know if you meant that the pair would just roll to face or if the lady
would be unfurled across the gents body and end on the other side. It would
make a difference as to how well my ideas above would work, though I think the
main adjustment would be to whom the ladies chained. Neat idea though, either
way.
You didn't say balance before the seat the flea. You implied in your notes
however. I do think it might be needed for timing except maybe with the
diagonal chain which can be less forgiving depending on the crowd.
My two cents. Curious about why the up and down chain.
Best,
Andrea
Sent from my external brain
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Ric Goldman - Letsdance via Callers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Martha,
>
> Interesting idea about transitions and poise points. I’m working on a dance
> with transitions I think are interesting, but worry they could be too jarring
> (have not tried it on human salt shakers yet). Here’s the first part:
>
> Start: improper
> A1 1-4 Ladies chain up and down set to neighbor, courtesy
> turn (at end releasing right hand, hold on to the left, facing each other
> across the set)
> 5-8 Swat the flea
> A2 1-8 (turn up/down the set to) Balance and swing partner
>
> One possible way to “smooth” the transition from the courtesy turn might be
> to release the right hand early and use left hands to turn the lady under
> (clockwise, lady turn right) before going into the balance for the swat, but
> I resist having it be a forced twirl. Perhaps folks would “discover” that on
> their own.
>
> What other transistions or poise points do folks find interesting?
>
> Thanx, Ric Goldman
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>
> From: Callers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Martha Wild via Callers
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:39 PM
> To: Caller's discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this dance already exist?
>
> Hi, all. Actually, I think the transition from the petronella to the ladies
> chain is a good one. There are certain moves in dancing, that I’ve heard
> called “poise points,” where one purposefully switches direction, and it can
> be very satisfying. For me, the spin to the right feels like the winding up
> of a spring that you then unleash in the other direction. Some dances that
> look as if they have good flow end up having so much clockwise spin that it
> tires people.
>
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Esther,
> If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying
> to go from a petronella to a chain. As you spin R, it is the left hand which
> feels available as you face the set because your body has been rotating
> clockwise, even as it move CCW around the minor set. So there will be this
> washing machine action to get into the chain. You might be counting on the
> claps to arrest that movement, but I still feel it's not an especially
> satisfying entry into the chain. A gents chain, otoh, would be peachy.
>
> What, to you, is the hook in this dance? What were you going for?
>
> Best,
> Andrea
>
> Sent from my external brain
>
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Esther Fraser via Callers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Has anyone seen this dance already?
>
> A1: Balance the ring & petronella
> Ladies Chain
> A2: Full Hey, Ladies pass R (16)
> B1: Ladies Chain
> P Allemande L
> B2: Balance the ring & Petronella
> Balance the ring & California twirl
>
> Also interested in other dances that have a Ladies' Chain to into Allemande
> Left (with the one you chain to) combo. I think I might have seen it
> somewhere, but I can't remember where.
>
> Thanks,
> Esther Fraser
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