Angela, ah....I see said the blind person. Now it makes sense. Will not work in my home ultra conservative community and I will certainly need to practice replacing. It will be interesting to say the least. Thanks again!
On Oct 15, 2017 12:21 AM, "Angela DeCarlis" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mary! A lot has already been written on the subject elsewhere, but the > summary of why Larks and Ravens has become a great set of terms is that > they correlate to the (L)eft and (R)ight positions at the end of a swing. > The syllable count is the same when compared to Gent and Lady (or Man and > Woman, for that matter), and the terms don't conflict with any dance > instructions (like how Lead and Follow would, especially if used to call > for English or Square Dancing). > > Another great set of terms are Jets and Rubies, but I've found those > labels to be more arbitrary...the main advantage is that the words are > phonetically similar to Gents and Ladies...and I'm not sure whether or not > that's a good thing! > > I hope this helps clarify things for you, and I thank you in advance for > keeping an open mind about trying these new, genderfree terms soon! In the > communities I've danced in, I can't tell you how much of a positive > difference these terms have made for individual dancers and for the > communities on the balance. But again, more on that can be read elsewhere, > and I hope to write in with more about my personal experiences as a caller > and dance organizer soon! > > Angela > > On Oct 14, 2017 2:09 PM, "Mary Collins" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ahem Tom...that would be "gender" lol....Seriously, being of the more >> mature (and I use that term loosely) set, I find all these new names for >> ROLES to be troublesome and tiresome. Who exactly is a Lark & who exactly >> are Ravens? Because quite frankly I have mental pictures of both....from >> literature and music and they could be as offending as gents & ladies or >> women & men....not to try to start anything here. I am just trying to >> grasp something that seems to be just a wee bit beyond my reach. Several >> of my fellow traveling dance friends (of similar age) do not understand >> these terms either. Since I plan to be traveling and hopefully calling in >> "your community" sometime, I'd really like to get a handle on this. >> >> Mary "24" Collins >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Virus-free. >> www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> <#m_7204306495091385479_m_-3621280477174631412_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> “Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning >> to dance in the rain!” ~ Unknown >> >> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hinds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Angela. If only we could easily change our gender so we could >>> understand what it's like to be the other sex. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Angela DeCarlis wrote: >>> >>> Tom, I had this conversation with Sue Rosen this summer. Women who >>> belong to the original Feminist generation (like Sue and, presumably, like >>> Mary and Martha above) were involved in a cultural movement to abolish the >>> word "Lady", along with its restrictive connotations, in favor of "Woman". >>> The latter label, I understand, was one which lent more power and ownership >>> to its wearers, and so was preferable. You could be however you were, >>> "ladylike" or not, and still be a Woman. (others, please chime in if I've >>> gotten anything wrong or missed anything!) >>> >>> My generation has an opposite problem: due to the modern-day Gender >>> Revolution, wherein we seek to abolish the gender dichotomy, terms like >>> "Woman" and "Man" feel too restrictive and denotative. "Lady" and "Gent" >>> feel almost more comfortable to some, since they are words that are >>> slightly more flexible, in some ways. >>> >>> One of the biggest problems for both groups, I think, is when the terms >>> are used interchangeably. >>> >>> This is one of my favorite things to think about when it comes to role >>> terms in dance today! I *love* our community's intergenerationality, and >>> learning about each other through conversations like this! >>> >>> Eventually I hope to get around to writing in about the changes I've >>> seen at BIDA since switching to Larks and Ravens at the beginning of the >>> summer. It's been truly remarkable! >>> >>> 'Til then, >>> Angela >>> >>> On Oct 14, 2017 9:26 AM, "Mary Collins via Callers" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Martha, I dont recall this dance of which you speak. Could you share >>>> the true title and calls? Thanks! I also cringe over ladies (I don't fit >>>> that tradition) yet it is a good "place holder, ROLE identifer" for my >>>> communities. >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2017 9:06 AM, "Tom Hinds via Callers" < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I must have fallen asleep during a discussion of "ladies". What's the >>>>> issue? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I’ve got a gypsy star dance (I actually call it “Star Wrong” and not >>>>> just because of the g-word, but because if you say “gypsy star” everybody >>>>> starts to gypsy and NOT star, so I gave up on that confusing terminology). >>>>> Haven’t seen another dance like it. The move from mad robin into the star >>>>> wrong actually flows quite well. I use men and women for roles, not >>>>> genders. When I first started calling, we considered “lady” to be a four >>>>> letter word - women’s movement and bra burning and all that. I still find >>>>> it hard to use the word “lady” and not bristle. Times have changed, now >>>>> people bristle at men and women. Go figure. I didn’t correct the “g-word” >>>>> use on this version >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> List Name: Callers mailing list >>>>> List Address: [email protected] >>>>> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/c >>>>> [email protected]/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List Name: Callers mailing list >>>> List Address: [email protected] >>>> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>
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