Thanks for all the good information. Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 4:07 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Allemande (Jacob or Nancy Bloom) > 2. Re: Allemande (JD Erskine) > 3. Re: Allemande (John Sweeney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:33:40 -0400 > From: Jacob or Nancy Bloom <[email protected]> > To: tom hinds <[email protected]> > Cc: "Caller's discussion list" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Allemande > Message-ID: > <cajps8ni+1r9fth1vpv9k-ehtgs+f1kcnszxrt_9hxmvhr8z...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The Lambertville ECD site is pointing to a copy of Samuel, Ann, and Peter > Thompson's Twenty Four Country Dances for the Year 1782, on the Vaughan > Williams Memorial Library website. There are a couple of things that the > term "allemande" could mean in 1782, but the one that seems correct for > that version of Away To The Camp would be danced as follows: > > The couple link right elbows and then straighten out their right arms to > reach their partner?s hand, while they hold left hands behind their backs. > (For an allemand reverse they would reverse this and start by linking their > left elbows.) They dance forward once around each other and return to > their places. For the Thompsons' 1782 version of Away To The Camp I > suggest that both Allemande and Allemande Reverse be done, that the > footwork used be a skip-change step (which would have been called "chassee > forward" in 1782), and that all three couples do the allemandes (although a > case can certainly be made for only the active couple doing them.) > > If you are interested in dance from that era, check out the blog that my > wife and I have at http://www.dancehistoryalive.com/blog/ We haven't > written an article on Away to the Camp yet, but we'll try to do one soon. > > Jacob Bloom > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:02 PM tom hinds via Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> John, >> >> Thanks so much for your hard work and sharing a tremendous amount of >> information with us. >> >> There?s one allemande I?d like to know more about. It?s the one used in >> the the dance, Away to the Camp which can be seen on the Lambertville ECD >> site. >> >> Tom >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> List Name: Callers mailing list >> List Address: [email protected] >> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> > > > -- > [email protected] > http://jacobbloom.net/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers-sharedweight.net/attachments/20190627/a03cda6c/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:45:24 -0700 > From: JD Erskine <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Callers] Allemande > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 2019.06.26 1402, tom hinds via Callers wrote: >> John, >> >> Thanks so much for your hard work and sharing a tremendous amount of >> information with us. >> >> There?s one allemande I?d like to know more about. It?s the one used in the >> the dance, Away to the Camp which can be seen on the Lambertville ECD site. >> >> Tom > > Tom, > > Reading the link to the directions as published by Thompson I suspected > which form of allemende it might be. If the interpretation as shown in > the video is it, it is. > > I can't provide any history about it, however can mention it's described > in Jim Morrison's book, "Twenty-Four Early American Country Dances : > Cotillions and Reels for the Year 1976". Published by CDSS in that year. > > It is in a dance from that I enjoy calling and dancing called "Doubtful > Shepherd." In fact it and "Away to the Camp" are remarkably similar for > about 3/5 of either. > > From the glossary of figures in the back is this description, > > "allemand: Stand side by side with partner, right shoulders together, > right arm extended, left arm behind back. Cross right arm inside > partner's arm, right hand holding partner's left. Dance clock-wise in > this position, usually once around (8 beats). As with most figures this > is more fun if you look at your partner while dancing it." > > There are likely various ways to describe entering the movement. I've > used several with good effect. We have fun with it and after a few > nights with it included on a program (chiefly for that movement, oh and > the music! AABBB and cheery*) dancers seem comfortable with or amused by > it. I believe it's Kalia who calls it the "pretzel" move. <grin> > > Seemingly, for the dances Morrison selected, it is danced solely > clockwise. In that video for "Away to the Camp" it's also > reversed/returned/matched by a CCW move. Based on the description for > "Away to the Camp" at VWML I'd not venture to say their interpretation > is correct or not. > > Cheers, John > > * music may be heard here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czHfhByzvkI > -- > J.D. Erskine > Victoria, BC > > Island Dance - Folk & Country > dance info - site & mail list > Vancouver Island & BC islands > > http://vecds.ca/island.dance/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:45:07 +0100 > From: "John Sweeney" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Allemande > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Tom, > As I say at the top of the page, "Allemande" is a popular word and has > been used to mean many completely different things. For example Wilson, in > 1816, used "Allemande" to mean a Dosido using three chasses, a jete and an > assemble (polka steps then jump)! > > https://www.regencydances.org/paper001.php has lots more about the > Allemandes of the period. > > The original instructions for "Away to the Camp" from Thompson in 1782 > just say "Allemand with your partner" with no indication of what is meant by > "Allemand". Away to the Camp would of course have been danced vigorously > with stepping in 1782. Whoever reconstructed the dance at > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk5-IKvxubg choose one of the many > interpretations of the word "Allemand". > > The Sottish still use that hold and call it a Tulloch Hold Swing, though > they use it less now as it can be awkward. You can learn all about it at > https://www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/tulloch-turn-grip.html > and see it being danced at > https://www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/videoclips/tulloch-turn.html. > > I often use it in contra dances if I have a good partner. I try to do a > different swing each time through the dance, and use the Tulloch Hold as one > of my swings if the dancer is good. > > Happy dancing, > John > > John Sweeney, Dancer, England [email protected] 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 > 574 > http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent > http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10 > *************************************** _______________________________________________ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: [email protected] Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
