On Tuesday 15 November 2011 Nov, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > Nobody should be worried because of the Distribution Guidelines - > generic rules that all you would take for granted anyway (but it's > easy to be surprised each time someone even unintentionally breaks the > rules; something of this sort: using custom build flags that expose > hidden alpha features while keeping the stable version number).
I'd have to see those first before giving an opinion, for now that page is empty. > > "Permission has been given to use the official Calligra Suite logo > > on clothing (shirts, hats, etc) as long as they are made by a > > Calligra developer and not sold for profit." > > > > I think everyone should be free to produce t-shirts and what-not with the > > logo and sell them, even for a profit. I'm even fine with people changing > > the logo, like was done for the sprint t-shirt. > > > > The selling part is added after debian (may be indeed a dead rule > though as noted elsewhere), so OK. > For the modification part, I have to oppose; we probably want to vote > or something. "Us" changing the logo is not 100% the same as changing > the logo by 3rd parties. Enforceability of the rule is another thing > but that is all why we're talking about the document as a guideline, > i.e. suggestion. I just like to see creativity everywhere -- like Evgeny showed when he designed the sprint shirt. I like playfulness, creativity and all that... > > > Page 3: > > > > "Alternatively solid white logo on solid black background can be > > used when it better fits. The note about border apply to this case > > too." > > > > I wouldn't demand black -- it would mean the sprint t-shirts are in > > violation :-). Any solid color should be fine, especially for merchandise > > like t-shirts. > > Of course thanks to KO for the sponsorship effort. That was Nokia, for the t-shirts :-) > Obviously I hope next time something can be done without a need for > distorting the logo. The current t-shirts design ( > http://www.valdyas.org/~boud/calligra_2011_2_group_foto.jpg ) breaks > most basic guideline point used in any branding based on visual > identity. Yet it was done by the author of the logo, so it must fit within his creative vision. > I have just not seen the t-shirt before while constructing > the guidelines (that have no novel parts anyway, all of it is > standard). This time artistic vision prevailed. Good thing is the > solid white color - it's compliant :) > > If it is surprising to someone I criticize things this way, look at > all the versions of Qt t-shits. Qt logo kept intact there since it's > #1 rule, anyone wanting to have logo and not just graphical template. > Artists still can express their creativeness as it can be observed > e.g. on the QtCS t-shirt ( http://twitpic.com/5cs05n/full - the Qt > logo is used at the back, not distorted, no 'noise'). (BTW: They have > the 'Code less...' text as optional and we can have "Engine" text or > any other added too and published within the guidelines. > > Exception for t-shirts with solid dark (or very light) background and > contrasting colors is an option. Solid color and not, say, flower > pattern in the background. Okay, I could go with that, as a guideline, for sure. > > > Page 4: > > > > "Always reproduce the complete Calligra Suite logo as the > > electronic artwork provides. Do not alter the logo in any way. Do > > not redesign it, redraw, animate. Do not alter the proportions of > > the logo or rotate it or render it three dimensions. Do not use any > > part of the logo as a decorative element, background, or pattern." > > > > I'd be fine with patterns, backgrounds or using it as decoration -- why not? > > Because we're looking at logo, not graphics template provided for > creating variations on the topic. > I give an example: after first look at the sprint t-shirt ( > http://www.valdyas.org/~boud/calligra_2011_2_group_foto.jpg ) it is > not instantly obvious it's all about Calligra, since there is no logo > with the full clearance zone as defined by the guideline that > separates logo from the artwork. The added pilcrow (ΒΆ) is geeky at > first sight, it makes the t-shirt in fact sprint t-shirt, not official > Calligra t-shirt, and that was the goal I think. > > I did somehow explain why would we want to restrict ourselves - to > introduce and maintain identity. Either we provide artwork for any > 'creations' - then there is no logo or we build up identity helping > creative people use it without distorting. > > Please note that the language is not perfect. It may even sound as if > there is implied threat for punishment. I have never had this in mind. > Regarding the text, this was a start and I corrected it above thanks > to your notes. > Let's think about all this text as a guideline, advice and request for > 3rdparties with assumed good will. Right -- let's have a new version -- I'm not closing my mind to any of this. Just registering a preference for simplicity, openness and creativity. -- Boudewijn Rempt http://www.valdyas.org, http://www.krita.org, http://www.boudewijnrempt.nl _______________________________________________ calligra-devel mailing list calligra-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-devel
