On Mon, 18 Jan 2016, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
Reason that I ask is that due to the split of Calligra into several repos (see
background^) the layout in the repo structure does no longer properly reflect
the project organisation. Right now there are three active repos in the
calligra/ repo substructure:
"calligra" at "calligra/"
"krita" at "calligra/krita"
"kexi" at "calligra/kexi"
What I'm wondering is, where is this "structure" actually visible? Not in
https://quickgit.kde.org/
or
https://phabricator.kde.org/diffusion/
I see it reflected in the old, to be discarded
https://projects.kde.org/projects
But where else? And what is it actually needed for?
(("calligra" at "calligra/" confuses at least kdesrc-build, sent an email to
mpyne about if moving it to "calligra/calligra" should fix it.))
Things that are not properly matching organization:
* Krita starting with 3.* no longer is part of Calligra project
(screws e.g. api.kde.org/bundled-apps-api/calligra-apidocs/ and also
what people think to which project Krita belongs)
* Calligra & Krita are nowhere different to KDevelop, Digikam & Co,
so no reason to be in a complete own toplevel structure,
rather should be in the same sub structure, i.e. "Extragear",
like extragear/calligra/* and extragear/graphics/krita
More, not only Calligra & Krita related:
* "Extragear" is an awful grouping name for apps with individual
release plans, a legacy term that no longer fits most of the apps
in that substructure
It's ghastly -- almost insulting. It's perpetuating the fallacy that
there are core KDE projects and peripheral projects.
* "KDE Applications" is a misleading grouping name for apps with a
central release plan, as if those with individual release plans
are not "KDE" applications (as in, not done in the KDE community)
Horrible as well.
* a single category per app as needed by the current tree structure layout
of the repos, like "office", "graphics", "utils", is rather awkward,
many apps do not match exactly one or would match multiple categories
Honestly, the need to group repositories is, to me, so weird that I think
it would be best to adopt the following scheme:
a/amarok
a/...
...
c/calligra
g/gcompris
k/krita
And so on. It's meaningless as it is; it would be better to make that clear,
if grouping is really needed.
So IMHO some update of the repository organisation would be good, to reflect
how things are these days.
Renaming of "Extragear" and "KDE Applications" is surely something which needs
care from promo/marketing/VDG people first to find if that makes sense at all
and what a good solution would be.
That again begs the question: where is the "organization" which apparently has
purely technical reasons visible to contributors and users?
(Being both maintainer of Okteta, which is in "KDE Applications", and meta-co-
maintainer of Calligra, which is not, but still done in the very same KDE
community, that current naming seems so wrong to me).
But the actual names and grouping aside, for the pure technical renewing
(which also involves all infrastructure like translation system,
documentation, phabricator, etc), who is currently planning or working on
what?
So does it makes sense to wait some more, or should we assume the current
organization stays for longer, and Calligra & Krita repos should be moved
inside that organization for now?
^Some background about Calligra repo split, as things are slightly
complicated:
KRITA) The "krita" repo was split off, because Krita has finally become a
full project of its own, separate from Calligra. A logical place for the krita
repo in the KDE repo structure would perhaps have been somewhere in extragear,
but at least due to the translators preferring to keep the string catalogs of
Krita in the "calligra" module as before, for less work, the krita repo was
for now put as submodule of "calligra/".
KEXI) Kexi continues to be part of the Calligra project/subcommunity, but the
Kexi developers preferred a small simple repo "kexi" of their own (for build
time and size). So the placement at "calligra/kexi" makes perfect sense.
OTHERAPPS) As the other Calligra apps (Braindump, Karbon, Sheets, Words,
Stage, etc.) are more tightly coupled and the binary interfaces between libs,
plugins & apps can still change every other week, for now no further repo
splitting is planned (to ensure atomic commits on API changes), and they all
stay in the existing "calligra" repo.
Cheers
Friedrich
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