Mekong River, I talked about the mixed-raced Cambodians who're of mixed blood or mixed ancestry Khmer + Chinese or Vietnamese or all 3, not about the pure Chinese in Cambodia. I also mentioned that such mixed-raced Cambodians arrived on the scene about 150 years ago, not as far back as in the Angkor Wat era or the ancient Khmer empire era.
Now talking about the pure Chinese in Cambodia. Yeah Yeah I know that there were those who couldn't speak Khmer & refused to integrate into Cambodian society. All of them were elderly. However I also know that there were elderly Chinese who could speak Khmer fluently without accent & sent their kids to Cambodian schools. I didn't say that the pure Chinese are hard-working while the pure Khmers tend to relax & lay back. I said that the mixed-raced Cambodians are intelligent & patriotic & that the pure Khmers accept them. Soriya On Sep 11, 6:15 pm, "Mekong River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you glamorise sino-khmer too much, soriya. The sino-khmer you have > been talking about, to me, is not Chinese but khmer. Would you say Lok Ung > bun heang is Chinese ? The pure chinese who had been in srok khmer for > years, couldn't speak khmer and refused to integrate, were badly treated by > the sino-khmer KR leaders; I saw in my own eyes in 1976 in Kandal. > > I doubt if the sino-khmer built Angkor Wat and the ancient Khmer empire. > > the sino-khmer you are talking about is quite common throughout history when > it comes to ethnic communities and story of migration - not just unique tio > the sino-khmer. Where I live, the Greek, Italian, jews, Chinese,yuons, > Liav, Khmer ( black like me), etc, are hardworking and successful in their > own way. It is what I call migrant phenomenon. > > It is normal when you migrate to another country, you often can spot > opportunites and grab them, whereas the natives tend to relax and laid back. > > Not long ago, I bought a tourism DVD in which the narrator was Say Sa-Em. > This man to me is full of himself, typical crap talking stuck in ancient > times. In one DVD he went on something like this,..." srok khmer has all > sorts of things, all foods, just to survive is plenty, land of gold...". > This is the kind of brainwash which the Khmer have been led to starving and > disaster in history. We love colourful sweet talk with no substance. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Soriya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 6 Sep 2008, 9:22 am, > > I, Soriya, wrote an article entitled: > > > "The Mixed-Raced Cambodians: An Evolution Of The Cambodian Nation". > > > The URL is: > > >http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/bc2a79730... > > > The article is: > > > The inter-racial marriage between the Khmers & the Chinese or the > > Vietnamese is an evolution of the Cambodian nation. This evolution > > isn't new. It's believed to have started at least about 150 years > > ago. > > A study by a Western scholar in the 1970s revealed that in South-East > > Asia, Cambodia has the highest rate of inter-racial marriage between > > the aboriginals (in this case the Khmers) & the Chinese or the > > Vietnamese. > > > This evolution is good for Cambodia. The resulting mixed-raced Khmer- > > plus-Chinese-or-Vietnamese-or-all-3 Cambodians are > > intelligent, and, more importantly, very patriotic. They've been the > > majority of the Cambodian population for about 75 years now. > > For proof, just look at the music & movie stars before 1975 & after > > 1979. Virtually all of the mixed-raced Cambodians can speak only > > Khmer (&, for some, French &/or English), not Chinese or Vietnamese. > > > Virtually all the pure Khmers in Cambodia including the Khmer rice > > farmers wholeheartedly accept the mixed-raced Cambodians, & are even > > proud of them. There are even affectionate Khmer expressions that > > refer to the mixed-raced Cambodians: they're > > "koun chao chen" & "koun katt". > > > The mixed-raced Cambodians, the Khmers, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, & > > even the Chams live together in harmony in Cambodia, even though to a > > little lesser degree for the Chams due to the difference of religions. > > Oh boy do I miss my birthplace Kampong Luong, 32 km north of Phnom > > Penh, on the bank of the Tonle Sap River, all 5 ethnic groups living > > there. > > > The only people who're not happy with the fact that there are non- > > Khmer Cambodians, including even the mixed-raced Cambodians, > > living in Cambodia are the Khmers who were born abroard including > > Kampuchea Krom in Vietnam, or got to overseas when they were > > very young, live abroard, & have never lived for an enough time period > > in Cambodia. They don't know the social makeup & dynamics of the > > Cambodian society in Cambodia. > > > These people should at least avoid confrontation with the mixed-raced > > Cambodians, who're the majority of Cambodians, in Cambodia or abroad > > except Kampuchea Krom. They should be smart enough to realize that no > > one can prohibit a Khmer from marrying a Chinese or a Vietnamese. Or, > > of course, a Cham!! > > > In case you don't know, Hun Sen's maternal grandfather was a Chinese. > > Several years ago China even declared that Hun Sen is ok for them > > because his maternal grandfather was a Chinese!! > > > Even if your skin is dark, you can never be 100% sure that you're 100% > > Khmer. Eg, a story in Toronto. I know a Cambodian family > > here. The father is dark-skinned. So of course he thought he was a > > 100% Khmer. One day he learned that one of his > > great-grandfathers was a Chinese. He was so excited that he called > > everyone in his extended family all around the world to tell them the > > "good" news!! He even did so when I visited him at his home (that's > > why I began to know). And he also told everyone of his friends & > > acquaintances in Toronto, including me, about his > > "good" news!! > > > Soriya > > > =========================== > > > Several people responded, including Neak Kampuchea & Mekong River. > > > ================================= > > > 6 Sep 2008, 5:28 pm, > > Neak Kampuchea wrote: > > > Hello, Soriya > > > ============================== > > > 6 Sep 2008, 7:58 pm, > > > Mekong River wrote: > > > The best of the sino-khmer was Ta Mok ( Ung Chhoeun). > > > ================================ > > > 11 Sep 2008, 5:18 am, > > I responded to Neak Kampuchea: > > > Hi Neak Kampuchea. > > > Btw, please don't be discouraged by the curses of barbarians who know > > nothing to say other than to curse. Don't abandon your patriotism for > > Cambodia. No one has the monopoly on patriotism for Cambodia. > > > Soriya > > > ========================= > > > 11 Sep 2008, 5:35 am, > > I responded to Mekong River: > > > Mekong River, > > > I believe Krom Ngoy was also a Sino-Khmer. > > > Thinking about the patriotism of the mixed-raced Cambodians, among the > > millions of examples one often comes to my mind. Around 1972, in Phnom > > Penh, a male university student, about 20 years old, who was probably > > 25% Khmer & 75% Chinese, committed suicide to protest against the > > corruption of the Lon Nol regime. In his suicide note, he begged Lon > > Nol, In Tam, etc, to fight against corruption, because he feared > > corruption might lead to defeat in the war against the Khmer Rouge. > > Sadly, his fear was right. > > > Soriya > > > ============================= > > > Soriya > > -- > MR, > > Khlean + Khlao + Khlach = Khmer- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
