the title of discussion is on CAMBODIA : the Angkor period & causes of decline. sorry you are in the wrong place . can you read english ?
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CAMBODIA: the Angkor period & causes of decline. To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:58 AM The deaths of 600000 Khmers and John McCain are of great concern to me! --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CAMBODIA: the Angkor period & causes of decline. To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 12:42 PM References Notes ON CAMBODIA: the Angkor period & causes of decline? The issue here is related to Angkor period , not the Vietnam war. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: CAMBODIA: the Angkor period & causes of decline. To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 1:28 AM References Notes ^ The Walrus >> Bombing Cambodia >> Bombs Over Cambodia >> History ^ Arnold Issacs, Gordon Hardy, MacAlister Brown, et al, Pawns of War. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1987, p. 83. ^ Issacs, Hardy, & Brown, p. 85. ^ Military Assistance Command , Vietnam , Command History 1967, Annex F, Saigon , 1968, p. 4.. ^ Military Assistance Command , Vietnam , Command History 1968 Annex F, Saigon , 1969, p. 27. ^ Issacs, Hardy, & Brown, p. 88 ^ Issacs, Hardy, and Brown, p. 90. ^ Bernard C. Nalty, Air War Over South Vietnam . Washington DC : Air Force History and Museums Program, 2000, p. 127. ^ Nalty, p. 128. Even revisionist historian Lewis Sorley admits that Hanoi "repeatedly and vociferously denied that any such understanding existed." Lewis Sorley, A Better War... New York : Harvest Books, 1999, pgs. 107-108. ^ Nalty, p. 129. ^ John Morocco, Operation Menu. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1988, p.. 136. ^ William Shawcross, Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon, and the Destruction of Cambodia . New York : Washington Square press, 1979, pps. 23-24. ^ John Morocco, Rain of Fire: Air War, 1969-1973. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1985, p. 13. ^ Morocco , Rain of Fire, p. 13. ^ Morocco , Rain of Fire, p... 13. ^ SOG provided 70 percent of the bomb damage intelligence gathered during the Menu missions. Morocco , Operation Menu, pgs. 131-132. ^ This chain of command system is covered in Nalty, p. 130. ^ Rotter, ed., Andrew (1991). Light at the end of the tunnel : a Vietnam War anthology / edited by Andrew J. Rotter : p. 280, Shawcross: Bombing Cambodia --A critique. ISBN 0312045298. ^ Morocco , Rain of Fire, p. 14. See also William C. Westmoreland, A Soldier Reports. Garden City, New York : Doubleday & Company, 1976, p. 389. ^ Morocco , Rain of Fire, p. 14. ^ Nalty, p. 131. ^ Isaacs, Hardy, & Brown, p. 89. ^ Shawcross, pps. 68-71 & 93-94. ^ Morocco , Rain of Fire, p. 14. ^ Morocco , Operation Menu, p. 141. ^ Nalty, p. 132. ^ UCMJ Article 107 False official statements, with regard to "dual system" reporting. ^ Shawcross, p. 287. ^ U.S.. Senate, Hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Bombing in Cambodia . United States Senate, 93rd Cong, 1st sess. Washington DC : US Government Printing Office, 1973. ^ Shawcross, p. 287. ^ Earl H. Tilford, Setup: What the Air Force did in Vietnam and Why. Maxwell Air Force Base AL : Air University Press, 1991, p. 196. ^ War in the Shadows, p... 149. ^ John M. Shaw, The Cambodian Campaign. Lawrence KS : University of Kansas Press, 2005, pgs. 13-40... ^ Issacs, Hardy, & Brown, pgs. 92-100, 106-112. ^ Shawcross, pgs. 181-182 & 194. See also Issacs, Hardy, & Brown, p. 98. ^ Shaw, pgs. 163-164. Henry Kissinger's advice to the first commander of the U.S. military aid mission to Cambodia , Col. Jonathan Ladd, was revealing: "Don't think about victory. Just keep it going." Shawcross, p. 139. Sources Unpublished government documents Military Assistance Command , Vietnam , Command History 1967, Annex F, Saigon , 1968. Military Assistance Command , Vietnam , Command History 1968, Annex F, Saigon , 1969. Published government documents Head, William H. War from Above the Clouds: B-52 Operations during the Second Indochina War and the Effects of the Air War on Theory and Doctrine. Maxwell Air Force Base AL : Air University Press, 2002. Nalty, Bernard C. Air War over South Vietnam, 1968-1975. Washington DC : Air Force Museums and History Program, 2000. Tilford, Earl H. Setup: What the Air force did in Vietnam and Why. Maxwell Air Force Base AL : Air University Press, 1991. Memoirs Westmoreland, William C. A Soldier Reports.. New York : Doubleday, 1976. Secondary accounts Issacs, Arnold , Gordon Hardy, MacAlister Brown, et al, Pawns of War: Cambodia and Laos. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1987. Morocco, John, Operation Menu in War in the Shadows. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1988. Morocco, John, Rain of Fire: Air War, 1969-1973. Boston : Boston Publishing Company, 1985. Rotter, Andrew J. ed., Light at the end of the tunnel : a Vietnam War anthology; New York : St. Martin ’s Press, 1991 [isbn 0312045298]; p. 276ff., Shawcross: Bombing Cambodia--A critique. Shaw, John M. The Cambodian Campaign: The 1970 Offensive and America 's Vietnam War. Lawrence KS : University of Kansas Press, 2005. Shawcross, William, Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon, and the Destruction of Cambodia . New York : Washington Square Books, 1979. Sorley, Lewis, A Better War: The Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America 's Last Years in Vietnam . New York : Harvest Books, 1999. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu";.... --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CAMBODIA : the Angkor period & causes of decline To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:38 AM Interesting emotional remarks based on fiction with no facts to support it . Please verify if the figure 600,000 deaths of innocent Cambodian as the results of the NVN/VC troops, Pathet Lao (NVN troops) under FUNK label killings from 1970-1975 ? We have documents to support this figure. The issue here is related to Angkor period , not the Vietnam war. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CAMBODIA : the Angkor period & causes of decline To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:57 AM Everyone tries to ignore the fact that American did kill more than 600000 Khmers in 1969. I don't understand why? ================================= In 1969, President Richard Nixon and his National Security Advisor, Henry A.. Kissinger, unleashed B-52 carpet bombing for over fourteen months against a people who still tilled the soil with water buffalo...... The 3,500 bombing sorties resulted in 600,000 deaths. The American bombing of Cambodia was a closely guarded secret primarily because the U.S. was not at war with Cambodia. --- On Wed, 10/8/08, sacravatoons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: sacravatoons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: CAMBODIA : the Angkor period & causes of decline To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 10:35 AM Hi Ek Udom Kangarooo, Everyone does ! It's not OK to kill anyone.It's a Crime against Humanity !!!! Hitler had killed Jews from their Extremist-German..... In Cambodia without Yuon-Hanoi & Chen Peking ,Khmer Rouge were just a bunch of leftist group with a few guns. And we had known guys like Heng Samrin or Chea Sim would be cattle-smugglers at the border Khmer-Yuon until they died Scambia never be an Independence state as long as Yuon-Hanoi is there. So by your theory after Khmer Rouge killed his own people 2.5 million lives....It's OK for Yuon-Hanoi & Hun Xen had a plot,K5 operation, to kill Khmer innocents of 250,000 lives ?( according to Pen Sovann witnessed ). Could you, enlight more the operation K5, the crime against Humanity in Cambodia under Yuon-Hanoi ruling ? Thanks. Cheers, Bun H. > > So are you trying to say that if Vietnam or others did it, it's ok for > Cambodia to do it? > Are you trying to say that if Hitler killed so many Jews, it would be > ok for Cambodians to kill their own in millions? > Is that how Cambodians conduct themselves as a society and an > independent country? > > > On Oct 4, 5:11 pm, "sacravatoons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Everyone is crying when she or he in low situation. >> Yuon-Hanoi was a crying Wolf when she was under the oppression from >> French,Jap & American. >> Now Yuon-Hanoi is boss of Cambodia & Laos....and she thinks she's >> invincible. >> We wait to see her is crying again under the ruling of China and she will >> blame China as in the past >> she had blamed France,Jap & US. >> Lord Buddha said : Everything is Impermanence .We'll wait and see it. >> >> Cheers, >> Bun H. >> >> >> >> > You have to remember that Cambodian king indulged to fulfill their own >> > thirst, which lead to the lost part of the Angkor empire. It happned >> > for a very long time, and Cambodians are still crying today. Actually, >> > they still cry against the Veitnamese and Thai. >> > Yet they don't think about themselves. They continue to weaken their >> > own society by using their own personal indulging over no one but >> > their own people in their own country. >> > Then they continue to blame on Vietnamese and Thai. >> >> > On Oct 4, 7:51 am, Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> CambodiaTHE ANGKORIAN PERIOD : he Eastern Baray (reservoir or >> >> tank),evidence of which remains to the present time. Its dikes, which >> >> may >> >> be seen today, are more than 6 kilometers long and 1.6 kilometers >> >> wide. >> >> The elaborate system of canals and reservoirs built were the key to >> >> Kambuja's prosperity for half a millennium. By freeing cultivators >> >> from >> >> dependence on unreliable seasonal monsoons, they made possible an >> >> early >> >> "green revolution" that provided the country with large surpluses of >> >> rice. Carvings show that everyday Angkorian buildings were wooden >> >> structures not much different from those found in Cambodia today. The >> >> impressive stone buildings were not used as residences by members of >> >> the >> >> royal family. Rather, they were the focus of Hindu or Buddhist cults >> >> that >> >> celebrated the divinity, or buddhahood, of the monarch and his family. >> >> The king,regarded as divine, owned both the land and his subjects. The >> >> Brahman priesthood A small class of officials, who >> >> numbered about 4,000 in the tenth century. The commoners, who were >> >> burdened with heavy corvée (forced labor) duties. There was also a >> >> large >> >> slave class >> >> >> CAUSES OF DELCINE : >> >> After Jayavarman VII's death, Kambuja entered a long period of decline >> >> that led to its eventual disintegration. >> >> A. >> >> B. >> >> Preaching austerity and the salvation of the individual through his or >> >> own her efforts, Theravada Buddhism did not lend doctrinal support to >> >> a >> >> society ruled by an opulent royal establishment maintained through the >> >> virtual slavery of the masses. (from >> >> The Thai were a growing menace on the empire's western borders. The >> >> spread of Theravada Buddhism, which came to Kambuja from Sri Lanka by >> >> way >> >> of the Mon kingdoms, challenged the royal Hindu and Mahayana Buddhist >> >> cults. Library of Congress Country Studies) >> >> The Angkorian period lasted from the early ninth century to the early >> >> fifteenth century A.D. >> >> In terms of cultural accomplishments and political power, this was the >> >> golden age of Khmer civilization. >> >> The great temple cities of the Angkorian region, located near the >> >> modern >> >> town of Siemreab, are a lasting monument to the greatness of >> >> Jayavarman >> >> II's successors. . >> >> The Angkorian complexes were built. The construction of a huge >> >> reservoir >> >> north of the capital to provide irrigation for wet rice cultivation. T >> >> The construction of the temple city complex of Angkor Wat...... >> >> Angkorian society was strictly hierarchical. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> >> From: Sarin Nou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:08:34 AM >> >> Subject: CAMBODIA : Historical Background >> >> >> CAMBODIA : Historical Background >> >> * The Time of Greatness, A.D. 802-1431 >> >> * Period of Decline, 1431-1863 >> >> * The French Protectorate, 1863-1954 >> >> * The Japanese Occupation, 1941-45 >> >> * The First Indochina War, 1945-54 >> >> * The Second Indochina War, 1954-75 Military Developments Under the >> >> Khmer >> >> Rouge >> >> * Khmer Rouge Armed Forces >> >> * Khmer-Vietnamese Border Tensions >> >> * Vietnamese Invasion of Cambodia- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. 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