R U chicken or turkey?
I'm not going to fly away like U..I'm riding this hard time with my dear
follows Ah Keang:-}
I'm saving very hard..taking shower a la Carte in the double..raising fishs
and lobsters @ my swimming pool, no kidding.

Cheers,

Pu Keang Chau Ta

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Pierre Henri de Poipet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  If the US economy collapsed, I would migrate to other places far away
> from the US like Hawaii or Alaska or Guam.
>
> Joe from small town USA
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Perom Uch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> À : [email protected]
> Envoyé le : Mercredi, 8 Octobre 2008, 21h51mn 27s
> Objet : Re: Re : It's Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy has begun!
>
>
>  U R lier, only $12 per trade @ Charles Dek Gaule.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Pierre Henri de Poipet <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  Damned, I withdraw all my money from Charles Schwab (you know, the
>> discount broker who charges only $30 per trade) and put them
>> under my mattress.
>>
>> Joe from main street America
>>
>> ----- Message d'origine ----
>> De : Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>> CAMBODIAN VETERANS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Envoyé le : Mardi, 30 Septembre 2008, 18h36mn 36s
>> Objet : It's Official: The Crash of the U.S. Economy has begun!
>>
>>   It's official. Mark your calendars. The crash of the U.S. economy has
>> begun. It was announced the morning of Wednesday, June 13, 2007, by economic
>> writers Steven Pearlstein and Robert Samuelson in the pages of the
>> Washington Post, one of the foremost house organs of the U.S. monetary
>> elite.
>>
>> Pearlstein's column was titled, "The Takeover Boom, About to Go Bust" and
>> concerned the extraordinary amount of debt vs. operating profits of
>> companies currently subject to leveraged buyouts.
>>
>> In language remarkably alarmist for the usually ultra-bland pages of the
>> Post, Pearlstein wrote, "It is impossible to predict when the magic moment
>> will be reached and everyone finally realizes that the prices being paid for
>> these companies, and the debt taken on to support the acquisitions, are
>> unsustainable. When that happens, it won't be pretty. Across the board,
>> stock prices and company valuations will fall. Banks will announce painful
>> write-offs, some hedge funds will close their doors, and private-equity
>> funds will report disappointing returns. Some companies will be forced into
>> bankruptcy or restructuring."
>>
>> Further, "Falling stock prices will cause companies to reduce their hiring
>> and capital spending while governments will be forced to raise taxes or
>> reduce services, as revenue from capital gains taxes declines. And the
>> combination of reduced wealth and higher interest rates will finally cause
>> consumers to pull back on their debt-financed consumption. It happened after
>> the junk-bond and savings-and-loan collapses of the late 1980s. It happened
>> after the tech and telecom bust of the late '90s. And it will happen this
>> time."
>>
>> Samuelson's column, "The End of Cheap Credit," left the door slightly ajar
>> in case the collapse is not quite so severe. He wrote of rising interest
>> rates, "As the price of money increases, borrowing and the economy might
>> weaken. The deep slump in housing could worsen. We could also discover that
>> the long period of cheap credit has left a nasty residue."
>>
>> Other writers with less prestigious platforms than the Post have been
>> talking about an approaching financial bust for a couple of years. Among
>> them has been economist Michael Hudson, author of an article on the housing
>> bubble titled, "The New Road to Serfdom" in the May 2006 issue of Harper's.
>> Hudson has been speaking in interviews of a "break in the chain" of debt
>> payments leading to a "long, slow economic crash," with "asset deflation,"
>> "mass defaults on mortgages," and a "huge asset grab" by the rich who are
>> able to protect their cash through money laundering and hedging with foreign
>> currency bonds.
>>
>> Among those poised to profit from the crash is the Carlyle Group, the
>> equity fund that includes the Bush family and other high-profile investors
>> with insider government connections. A January 2007 memorandum to company
>> managers from founding partner William E. Conway, Jr., recently appeared
>> which stated that, when the current "liquidity environment"—i.e., cheap
>> credit—ends, "the buying opportunity will be a once in a lifetime chance."
>>
>> The fact that the crash is now being announced by the Post shows that it
>> is a done deal. The Bilderbergers, or whomever it is that the Post reports
>> to, have decided. It lets everyone know loud and clear that it's time to
>> batten down the hatches, run for cover, lay in two years of canned food,
>> shield your assets, whatever.
>>
>> Those left holding the bag will be the ordinary people whose assets are
>> loaded with debt, such as tens of millions of mortgagees, millions of young
>> people with student loans that can never be written off due to the
>> "reformed" 2005 bankruptcy law, or vast numbers of workers with 401(k)s or
>> other pension plans that are locked into the stock market.
>>
>> In other words, it sounds eerily like 2000-2002 except maybe on a much
>> larger scale. Then it was "only" the tenth worse bear market in history, but
>> over a trillion dollars in wealth simply vanished. What makes today's
>> instance seem particularly unfair is that the preceding recovery that is now
>> ending—the "jobless" one—was so anemic.
>>
>> Neither Perlstein nor Samuelson gets to the bottom of the crisis, though
>> they, like Conway of the Carlyle Group, point to the end of cheap credit.
>> But interest rates are set by people who run central banks and financial
>> institutions. They may be influenced by "the market," but the market is
>> controlled by people with money who want to maximize their profits.
>>
>> Key to what is going on is that the Federal Reserve is refusing to follow
>> the pattern set during the long reign of Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan in
>> responding to shaky economic trends with lengthy infusions of credit as he
>> did during the dot.com bubble of the 1990s and the housing bubble of
>> 2001-2005.
>>
>> This time around, Greenspan's successor, Ben Bernanke, is sitting tight.
>> With the economy teetering on the brink, the Fed is allowing rates to remain
>> steady. The Fed claims their policy is due to the danger of rising "core
>> inflation." But this cannot be true. The biggest consumer item, houses and
>> real estate, is tanking. Officially, unemployment is low, but mainly due to
>> low-paying service jobs. Commodities have edged up, including food and
>> gasoline, but that's no reason to allow the entire national economy to be
>> submerged.
>>
>> So what is really happening? Actually, it's simple. The difference today
>> is that China and other large investors from abroad, including Middle
>> Eastern oil magnates, are telling the U.S. that if interest rates come down,
>> thereby devaluing their already-sliding dollar portfolios further, they will
>> no longer support with their investments the bloated U.S. trade and fiscal
>> deficits.
>>
>> Of course we got ourselves into this quandary by shipping our
>> manufacturing to China and other cheap-labor markets over the last
>> generation. "Dollar hegemony" is backfiring. In fact China is using its
>> American dollars to replace the International Monetary Fund as a lender to
>> developing nations in Africa and elsewhere. As an additional insult, China
>> now may be dictating a new generation of economic decline for the American
>> people who are forced to buy their products at Wal-Mart by maxing out what
>> is left of our available credit card debt.
>>
>> About a year ago, a former Reagan Treasury official, now a well-known
>> cable TV commentator, said that China had become "America's bank" and
>> commented approvingly that "it's cheaper to print money than make cars
>> anymore." Ha ha.
>>
>> It is truly staggering that none of the "mainstream" political candidates
>> from either party has attacked this subject on the campaign trail. All are
>> heavily funded by the financier elite who will profit no matter how bad the
>> U.S. economy suffers. Every candidate except Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich
>> treats the Federal Reserve like the fifth graven image on Mount Rushmore.
>> And even the so-called progressives are silent. The weekend before the
>> Perlstein/ Samuelson articles came out, there was a huge progressive
>> conference in Washington, D.C., called "Taming the Corporate Giant." Not a
>> single session was devoted to financial issues.
>>
>> What is likely to happen? I'd suggest four possible scenarios:
>>
>>    1. Acceptance by the U.S. population of diminished prosperity and a
>>    declining role in the world. Grin and bear it. Live with your parents into
>>    your 40s instead of your 30s. Work two or three part-time jobs on the 
>> side,
>>    if you can find them. Die young if you lose your health care. Declare
>>    bankruptcy if you can, or just walk away from your debts until they bring
>>    back debtor's prison like they've done in Dubai. Meanwhile, China buys 
>> more
>>    and more U.S. properties, homes, and businesses, as economists close to 
>> the
>>    Federal Reserve have suggested. If you're an enterprising illegal 
>> immigrant,
>>    have fun continuing to jack up the underground economy, avoid business
>>    licenses and taxes, and rent out group houses to your friends.
>>    2. Times of economic crisis produce international tension and
>>    politicians tend to go to war rather than face the economic music. The
>>    classic example is the worldwide depression of the 1930s leading to World
>>    War II. Conditions in the coming years could be as bad as they were then. 
>> We
>>    could have a really big war if the U.S. decides once and for all to haul 
>> off
>>    and let China, or whomever, have it in the chops. If they don't want our
>>    dollars or our debt any more, how about a few nukes?
>>    3. Maybe we'll finally have a revolution either from the right or the
>>    center involving martial law, suspension of the Bill of Rights, etc.,
>>    combined with some kind of military or forced-labor dictatorship. We're
>>    halfway there anyway. Forget about a revolution from the left. They 
>> wouldn't
>>    want to make anyone mad at them for being too radical.
>>    4. Could there ever be a real try at reform, maybe even an attempt
>>    just to get back to the New Deal? Since the causes of the crisis are
>>    monetary, so would be the solutions. The first step would be for the 
>> Federal
>>    Reserve System to be abolished as a bank of issue and a transformation of
>>    the nation's credit system into a genuine public utility by the federal
>>    government. This way we could rebuild our manufacturing and public
>>    infrastructure and develop an income assurance policy that would benefit
>>    everyone.
>>
>> The latter is the only sensible solution. There are monetary reformers who
>> know how to do it if anyone gave them half a chance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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