to kangaroo, If Kangaroo is Cambodian , I am so disappointed. People including the Kangaroo only see the Khmer Rouge being the killer of own people. If you look at the time frame from 1975 to the end of the regime , it is true. But do not forget that the politic is about manipulation. Vietnamese know how to manipulate Khmer to kill Khmer, Vietnamese know how to twist Cambodian mind including that of Kangaroo to see only the goodness of the Vietnamese. Let's ask who is the main cause of the existence of the Khmer Rouge. Without Vietnamese Pol Pot never come to exist as Khmer Rouge leader nor his regime. Vietnamese never want to save Cambodia but take the opportunity , the opportunity that they secretly created. King Sihanouk had helped Vietnamese so that in turn they will respect the sovereignty of Cambodia not stealing border. But the Vietnamese don't care . Pol Pot did not actually succeed in fighting all the way into Vietnam as believing in liberation of Kampuchea Krom. but the fact is that the smart Vietnamese allowed the Pol Pot to get in so that they have the pretext to invaded Cambodia later. Pol Pot start killing since 1975 , why didn't the Vietnamese help then. It is very unfortunate that many Cambodians have their mind twisted by the Vietnamese seeing only the Khmer Rouge being bad and not seeing how the Khmer Rouge was created and by whom and for what purpuse .
On Oct 28, 3:53 pm, Ông-thu N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please see the attachment! > > ________________________________ > From: kangaroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org<[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:30:00 AM > Subject: Re: We lost the war! > > You continue to ignore the fact. > No one is trying to excuse Vietnamese from invading Cambodia, nor they > try to forgive what Vietnamese has done to Cambodia.. > Yet, Cambodians have been doing more destructive to Cambodia than > Vietnamese has ever done. Actually, Cambodians are the most > destructive force to their own nation with their own hands in their > own country. What is wrong with that pictures? > The problem is that Cambodians continue to IGNORE their own problems. > And they even try to move that problem toward Vietnam. What is wrong > with that picture? > > On Oct 28, 10:21 am, "Bopha Angkor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Beside the evils who consent with the yuons Vietcong and want to clean yuon > > vietcong crimes from the late genocide against Khmer people, other people > > know that, yuons Vietcong didn’t only used Khmer and Khmer territory to > > lead war against USA but at time the yuon Vietcong planed the killing field > > inside Khmer territory since long ago to explode in 17 april 75 till today > > by using the same killing tools (Khmer Vietminh or Khmer rouge) composed of > > yuon agents and people trained and brainwashed to hate Khmer and to kill > > Khmer for Yuons. This is nothing new in yuon political perspective but a > > well ancestral yuon expansionist and genocidal politics in its quest of new > > territory and natural resource for its people or race. > > > Killing is a crime, leading a mass persecutions against other group of > > people, no matter its way or pretext, is called “crime against humanity” > > but unfortunately many, even among intellectuals ones prefer to stand with > > the killers and winners than to defend justice and the victims because it > > is more easy to stand with the evils and the winners than to lose with the > > losers. Those people no matter how high their intellectual title they are > > not less criminals or evils than the yuons Vietcong at all. > > >http://devaraja.free.fr/Khmer-books/1khmerbook-page.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ông-thu N > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Subject: We lost the war! > > > Cambodian–Vietnamese War > > During the First Indochina War, when Vietnam and Cambodia allied against > > the French, Vietnamese forces had made great use of Cambodian territory in > > transporting weapons, supplies, and troops. This relationship lasted > > through the Vietnam War, and even after the war, people from both countries > > commonly crossed the border unhindered. > > > Even before the Vietnam War had ended, the relationship between the Khmer > > Rouge and Vietnam was strained. Clashes between Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge > > forces began as early as 1974. The Khmer Rouge demanded that the Mekong > > Delta area be returned to Cambodia, and that all Vietnamese leave the area. > > The Vietnamese refused these demands since the Mekong Delta had been > > Vietnamese territory for nearly three centuries. In retaliation, thousands > > of Vietnamese were either executed or forced out of Cambodia, and villages > > along the border were attacked. This led to further escalation of the > > conflict and ultimately to the Vietnamese invasion and occupation of > > Cambodia.. > > > The war between Vietnam and the Khmer Rouge's Democratic Kampuchea began > > shortly after the fall of Saigon. On May 1, 1975, a team of Khmer Rouge > > soldiers raided Phu Quoc Island against little or no Vietnamese resistance, > > and then executed more than five hundred Vietnamese civilians on Tho Chu > > Island. Angered by the Khmer Rouge's aggression, Hanoi launched a > > counter-attack that resulted in the liberation of those islands by > > Vietnamese forces. The battle over Phu Quoc was a cause of concern for the > > newly-established Socialist Republic of Vietnam as the country was > > challenged by a new enemy at a time when relations with the People's > > Republic of China began to deteriorate due to Vietnam's ideological > > alignment with the Soviet Union. That concern was further strengthened by > > the presence of Chinese advisors to Pol Pot's regime and increasing > > shipments of military hardware to Kampuchea's armed forces.. > > > Following the raids on Phu Quoc and Tho Chu Islands the Khmer Rouge > > conducted two major incursions into Vietnam. The first attack occurred in > > April 1977, when regular units of the Khmer Rouge army advanced 10 > > kilometres (6 mi) into Vietnam, occupying some parts of An Giang Province > > where it massacred a large number of Vietnamese civilians. The second > > attack was in September of the same year. This time they were able to > > advance 150 kilometres (93 mi) into Vietnam. In retaliation, six divisions > > of the Vietnam People's Army invaded Cambodia on December 31, 1977. The > > Vietnamese army advanced as far as Neak Luong and later withdrew, taking > > with them some key Khmer Rouge figures, including future Prime Minister Hun > > Sen. The invasion was intended only as a "warning" to the Khmer Rouge. The > > Vietnamese offered a diplomatic solution to the border conflict that would > > require the establishment of a demilitarized zone along the border, but the > > offer was rejected > > by Pol Pot and fighting resumed. > > > Meanwhile, as the fighting continued to rage in the border areas between > > Vietnam and Kampuchea, the Khmer Rouge leadership began to purge members of > > its own party, as well as military commanders who escaped from Vietnamese > > forces after the short offensive in September 1977. Undeterred by earlier > > defeats the Khmer Rouge launched another major offensive into Vietnam using > > two regular divisions. Once again the Khmer Rouge was able to occupy some > > townships in Vietnam, conducting clearing operations that included the > > massacre of civilians. In one notable event the town of Ba Chuc was raided > > by the Khmer Rouge forces; by the time it was over most of Ba Chuc's > > inhabitants were brutally slaughtered leaving only two survivors. > > > Hanoi was now resolved to remove the threat of the Khmer Rouge > > permanently. The Vietnamese assembled a force of 10 divisions along the > > border with Kampuchea, with strong armour and air support they advanced > > into Khmer Rouge-held territory on December 25, 1978. The Kampuchean > > National United Front for National Salvation (KNUFNS), created with > > assistance from Hanoi, also went along with the military operation. > > > The Pol Pot regime of Democratic Kampuchea was largely supported with the > > Peoples Republic of China, with both regimes based on closely associated > > Maoist ideologies. The Vietnamese attack on Cambodia on December 25, 1978 > > was followed by massive amounts of troop deployments along the vast > > China-Vietnamese border. On the dawn of February 17, 1979, the People's > > Liberation Army moved into Vietnamese territory, at which point the > > Cambodian capital already had been captured by the Vietnamese and the Pol > > Pot regime toppled (see below), reportedly accusing the Vietnamese > > government of "revisionist" ideologies and the mistreatment of ethnic > > Chinese living in Vietnam.. The Chinese kept moving into the north of > > Vietnam, reportedly advancing towards Hanoi at a high speed though not on > > good terms with their supply lines. The Chinese army captured Cao Bang on > > March 2 and Lang Son on March 4. The following day, however, the Beijing > > regime announced that it would > > not participate in further action moving more deeply into Vietnam, > apparently after meeting fierce and unexpected harsh resistance by the well > trained and experienced Vietnamese forces, supplied with American technology > left behind earlier. With the Chinese support lost after Vietnamese > recapitulation, Cambodia was left to the mercy of its destiny. > > > The Khmer Rouge had prepared a force of 70,000 to resist the invasion, > > but was not able to prevent the Vietnamese from advancing to Phnom Penh, > > which was captured on January 7, 1979. The Khmer Rouge switched to a > > guerrilla campaign and began to attack the long and exposed line of > > communication of the Vietnamese forces. The Vietnamese used the pretext > > that none of their own troops were actually fighting but only supporting > > the KNUFNS in their struggle against the brutal Khmer Rouge. This was not > > the case: Vietnam had over 150,000 troops in Cambodia, while the KNUFNS > > force numbered only 20,000. For the remainder of the occupation, the > > Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge were locked in a bloody guerrilla war. > > Vietnamese forces held the cities while the Khmer Rouge controlled the > > rural areas, especially along the Thai border. The struggle did not end > > until Vietnam withdrew its troops in the late 1980s. The number of > > casualties is uncertain but is estimated at > > 30,000 on each side.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > President Bush.doc > 59KViewDownload --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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