Two hours with US Ambassador Carol Rodley in Long Beach, California 





Dear KI-Media Editors,

Please find attached a synopsis of US Ambassador Carol Rodley’s speech and 
replies to questions fielded to her. Mrs. Rodley’s event took place at Mark 
Twain Library in Long Beach, California, on Saturday, December 19, 2009. I 
would like to warn your readers in advance that this synopsis bears some of my 
bias and it is not intended to be a faithful transcript of Mrs. Rodley’s speech 
and answers. Furthermore, I did not jot down all the questions that were 
fielded to her, I am providing here only questions and answers that are 
pertinent to Cambodia. Mr. Meach Sovannara, a reporter for the Khmer Post, was 
also present at Mrs. Rodley’s event and he recorded the entire two hour event. 
I would urge your readers to listen to this recording at:

IN CAMBODIA OCCUPIED BY VIETNAM   1979-2009
A VIETNAMESE AS KHMER KILLER :  HOR NAM HONG 
HOR NAM HONG , A VIETNAMESE &  800 KHMER ELITE KILLER UNDER THE POL POT REGIME 




 
 
 
 
 

HE IS TODAY , SIHAMONI'S  "Cambodia" Minister of Foreign Affairs .
As Vietnamese , HOR NAM HONG has sent VIETNAMESE MEN/WOMEN AS "CAMBODIAN " 
AMBASSADORS ABROAD

VIETNAM INVASION & OCCUPATION OF CAMBODIA IS CONDEMNED:
Oct. 21, 1986 The UN General Assembly adopted a resolution A/RES/41/6, by vote 
of 116-21 with 13 abstentions, calling for a withdrawal of Vietnamese forces 
from Cambodia.

Again Vietnam, has not respected the 10 UN resolutions calling Vietnam to cease 
her occupation of Cambodia and remove all her troops from the country. 

US president Reagan calls Vietnam to restore Cambodia Independence . 
President Reagan's address to the 43d Session of the United Nations General 
Assembly in New York, New York,September 26, 1988. 
"Mr. Secretary-General, there are new hopes for Cambodia, a nation whose 
freedom and independence we seek just as avidly as we sought the freedom and 
independence of Afghanistan. We urge the rapid removal of all Vietnamese troops 
...." 

BURY
 
http://www.thekhmerpost.com/ 

My sincere thanks to Mr. Meach Sovannara for posting this recording.

Happy New Year to your team and to all KI-Media readers!

P. from Long Beach

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Two hours with US Ambassador Carol Rodley in Long Beach, California


Prior to her posting as US Ambassador, Mrs. Carol Rodley was posted in 
Afghanistan. Therefore, as her opening remark, she indicated that, in 
comparison to Afghanistan, Cambodia is facing a problem of a poor country, thus 
in comparison to Afghanistan, Cambodia is not in a too bad shape.

She also indicated that prior to Afghanistan, she was also posted in Cambodia 
in 2000. Upon her return to Cambodia from Afghanistan, she noted that Cambodia 
is no longer the same country she left. For one thing, there was tremendous 
change in infrastructure between 2000, the year she saw Cambodia last, and 
2008, the year she returned back to Cambodia. In 2008, there are more roads, 
more buildings and more businesses. [One of her remarks that struck me was the 
fact that she mentioned that the private sector had contributed tremendously to 
the development of the country. I remembered that, speeches after speeches, Mr. 
Hun Sen always insisted that the development in Cambodia was the work of his 
government, however, Mrs. Rodley seems to indicate that Mr. Hun Sen’s claims 
are not entirely factual."]

Mrs. Rodley also indicated that there is a significant change among the 
Cambodian people. Currently, Cambodians are more competent, more optimistic. 
They have a broader view of the world. She was also amazed that Cambodia, which 
in the past saw the arrival of a large contingent of UN peacekeeper force, is 
now sending peacekeepers to other countries instead.

She also reported that Cambodia’s relationship with the US has matured at the 
official level. There is currently broad cooperation between the two countries, 
as well as broad assistance by the US in healthcare, in quality and access to 
education.

Nevertheless, in regards to human rights and democracy, Mrs. Rodley indicated 
that progress in these areas is inconsistent. In general, the US would hold 
discussions on disagreements with the Cambodian government.

When it comes to freedom of expression, the US notes the unfortunate trend 
where defamation and disinformation lawsuits are used to stifle dissenting 
political views.

Human rights is also a continuing problem and evictions affect vulnerable 
peoples.

With this remark, Mrs. Rodley concluded her speech and initiated the question 
session.


Question Session


[What I did not understand was the fact that, even though the attendance is 
relatively small (about 60-70 people), the attendance was not able to ask 
questions to Mrs. Rodley directly, instead, people who have questions have to 
submit them in writing to the moderator who would then field them to Mrs. 
Rodley. According to one of the people who asked a question to Mrs. Rodley, he 
indicated that the moderator did not formulate his question faithfully either. 
With that in mind, let’s move on the questions.]

Can Cambodian-American still receive their social security checks if they live 
in Cambodia?

Yes, under one provision: these people must show up at the US embassy once a 
month. The reason for this is that there are too many cases of fraud. Sometime, 
people died and yet their relatives would still collect their Social Security 
checks. Furthermore, there is no reliable death record in Cambodia.

What are the priorities of the Obama’s administration in Cambodia?

The US would like to see a peaceful, stable, prosperous and democratic Cambodia 
that it can deal with. However, prosperity and democracy in Cambodia remain 
problems that Cambodia is still facing with. For one thing, Cambodia’s economy 
is not diversified, therefore, it is susceptible to recession. Nevertheless, 
she noted that Cambodians’ confidence at their own ability to survive, and she 
also noted their resilience under the circumstance. Cambodia does rely heavily 
on tourism and garment export.

In terms of democracy, the US supports human rights in Cambodia, but Mrs. 
Rodley indicated that there is still a lot to do in this area. In her words, 
Cambodia is termed a “1 party +” country (i.e., Cambodia is ruled by a single 
party, and the opposition does not play a significant role in the country). She 
indicated that, according to political scientist, it would take an average of 
about 45 years for such country to reach full democracy. [On this last item, I 
beg to differ with Mrs. Rodley’s remark. It is true that in countries such as 
Japan, for the current ruling party to come from the opposition to rule the 
country, it did take about 50 years. However, this is not true everywhere, for 
example, Indonesia was under Suharto’s iron grip for 32 years, Ferdinand 
Marcos’ rule of the Philippines was 21 years. Therefore, Cambodians should not 
be desperate about the situation in Cambodia just yet. We have to remember that 
no undemocratic ruler will last forever. The last years of Prince Sihanouk in 
power in Cambodia was an exemple of a regime in economic disarray because the 
ruler believes that he was untouchable. Similarly Pol Pot’s iron grip on 
Cambodia did not last forever either. While it is true, that Pol Pot’s regime 
was toppled by Vietnam’s invasion, its lack of support from the Cambodian 
people made it an easy target for Vietnam.]

Why is it so difficult to bring children to the US? There are so much 
difficulties to pass the required DNA test.

The reason for this is because there are so many frauds in the visa business.

What is your opinion on deforestation in Cambodia?

Mrs. Rodley made it clear that she is against deforestation in Cambodia. 
Furthermore, this issue is taking an increased importance due to the current 
climate change. Nevertheless, Mrs. Rodley believes that this issue is currently 
a moot point because forest coverage has already been cut down (i.e. 
destroyed).She hopes that the Copenhagen treaty will bring financial interest 
to the Cambodian government to preserve forest coverage, but, the “devil is in 
the details”, i.e. there is still a major challenge in the implementation.

What would it take to increase Cambodia’s garment quota to the US?

Currently, there is no garment quota imposed on import from Cambodia. The main 
problem currently is that demand has plummeted. Furthermore, Cambodia is also 
market share to countries such as Vietnam and Bangladesh. While Cambodia 
maintains a good labor standard, such issue is not that important anymore under 
the current economic condition. There is an attempt at the US congress to 
provide preferential tariffs for garment import from poor countries, but it is 
facing tough resistance from Obama’s Democrat administration fur to labor 
movement. Therefore, this issue is not certain yet at the moment.

Is the price of garment made in Cambodia high due to corruption?

Mrs. Rodley does not believe so. She indicated that Vietnam faces the same 
corruption problem as Cambodia, but what differentiates Vietnam from Cambodia 
is the fact that productivity is much higher in Vietnam. Furthermore, the cost 
of electricity and transportation in Cambodia is still very high. For example, 
the price of electricity in Cambodia is higher than that of Tokyo.
What is the US position in regards to the border problem in Preah Vihear?

Mrs. Rodley believes that this is a simple problem to address. The US believes 
that it should be resolved bilaterally between Thailand and Cambodia only. This 
issue has both negative and positive aspect to it and the US is closely 
following the situation. On the negative aspect, diplomatic tension is 
festering between the two neighbors, but on the positive side, there is troop 
reduction on the ground and the border is quiet. She indicated that serious 
discussions are needed from both sides, and she believes that there would be no 
resolution until Thailand’s domestic problem is solved. She added also that 
communication is required to slow down violence.

[The US has always supported a bilateral border solution between Cambodia and 
Thailand. However, as a signatory country to the 1991 Paris Peace Accords on 
Cambodia, these accords (Article 18, Part 4) clearly stipulates that “Cambodia 
undertakes to maintain, preserve and defend, and the other Signatories 
undertake to recognize and respect, the sovereignty, independence, territorial 
integrity and inviolability, neutrality and national unity of Cambodia, as set 
forth in a separate Agreement.” Obviously, Thailand’s invasion of Cambodia in 
Preah Vihear area should automatically trigger the application of the article 
above, but it did not. On top of that, the US did nothing to this matter, 
except to encourage both parties to hold bilateral discussions. As Mrs. Rodley 
observed it herself, no outcome resulted from the bilateral discussions between 
the two countries. All that took place was “silly” discussion on how to name 
the Preah Vihear temple. All in all, Thailand only lambasted on this issue and 
dragged its feet. The issue is further politicized by both countries for 
political gain: Mr. Hun Sen to stir Cambodia’s nationalism and deflect all 
political and economic problems, Mr. Abhisit Vejjajiva and the other Thai PMs 
to deflect internal political problems. In my opinion, Mr. Hun Sen’s support of 
Thaksin’s partisans is misguided as all Thai administrations care more about 
Thailand’s interest than their alliance with Mr. Hun Sen’s Cambodia.]

How does the US helps Cambodian import and export business?

Following the Obama’s administration removal of Cambodia from trade blacklist, 
the US is now establishing its Export/Import (Exim) bank, but loans to 
Cambodian businesses are still a problem. Cambodians should stay tuned on this 
issue.
How does one become a peace corps volunteer to Cambodia?

There are currently 75 peace corps volunteers in Cambodia, all of them are 
working in rural areas, teaching English in high schools. As a peace corps 
volunteer, one cannot chose the country one wants to go. One must be flexible 
to go to any country that help is required.
What is the US position on the decline of democracy in Cambodia?

Land eviction is a major issue in Cambodia. The land law in itself is not bad 
per se, but its implementation is ragged. With the World Bank’s help, about 1 
million of land titles were issued, but the WB is only concentrating in urban 
areas. This issue is further complicated with land title issues.

[As everybody knows, major evictions took place right in the middle of Phnom 
Penh, therefore should we consider the WB’s work a major failure?]

Mrs. Rodley that there is a silver lining in the current economic recession 
that saw a drop in land price. Hopefully, this will provide a breathing room 
for a more humane view on forced eviction.

She, along with other ambassadors in Cambodia, believes that a moratorium on 
forced eviction is necessary, however, she is not optimistic that this will 
take place. She indicated that eviction should be the last resort and there 
should be maximum respect for the people evicted, as well as a minimum use of 
force during evictions.

Is the US contemplating to provide more grants for Cambodian students to come 
study in the US?

The Fulbright grants program is expanding, but this is only directed toward 
graduate studies. Furthermore, the academic level in Cambodia is not up to par 
to that of the US, even though Cambodian students work hard and some do obtain 
their PhDs from the US.

Currently, the US is granting 1 semester to 1 year visa to undergraduate 
studies in the US. The US will also extend this policy to high school students.

However, there will be no further growth in the number of grants beyond the 
current level due to high cost involved in each student. Instead, the US is 
concentrating into improving the quality of education in Cambodia instead.

Can you provide comment of your assertion that Cambodia lost about $500 million 
in revenue each year due to corruption?

Mrs. Rodley indicated that this number is merely a guesstimate. However, she 
pointed out that a study was performed based on a sample of about 2,000 
Cambodian businessmen regarding the corruption issue. Following this study, an 
extrapolation was made by the study, and corruption could result in a $500 
million in yearly loss of revenue. This is a very large number.

One group of people who hate corruption is Cambodia are parents who have to 
provide money to their children to pay to their teachers. This is not a good 
situation at all, as it introduces corruption to Cambodians at a very young age.

On the other hand, she believes that her statement would encourage people to 
talk about corruption.

I couldn’t help but cutting her off and telling her that it was OK for her, as 
a foreigner, to raise this issue. Any Cambodians who would dare making such 
statement would be immediately sued for disinformation and defamation. She 
agreed to my remark, and she also mentioned that, following her talk on the 
corruption issue, even government officials came to tell her that it was good 
that she mentioned this issue openly.

What is the US view on human trafficking in Cambodia?

Human trafficking is a crime and a terrible problem. The issue is handled by 
NGOs, however, [Sar Kheng] the minister of Interior is committed to solve this 
problem. On the NGO side, the Somaly Mam foundation is also working on 
anti-trafficking. There is no denying from the government on this issue. The US 
government through ICE (US Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is taking full 
ownership of the problem. This is no longer just talk and US offenders are 
brought back to face stiff penalty in the US.

What does the US do to promote Cambodian art?

Upon her posting in Cambodia, Mrs. Rodley was asked what she wanted to have in 
Cambodia. She requested to have an art collection at the US ambassador 
residence that looks at the future of the Cambodian-US relationship. This 
collection is now on display at her residence in Cambodia.

What is the US position on the Khmer Rouge tribunal (KRT)?

The KRT is a big success. Justice of some sort is being delivered in spite of 
the fact that it took a very long time to reach an agreement between the 
Cambodian government and the UN. Because it is hybrid court, the system is 
messy and the process is imperfect. Nevertheless it is better to have it even 
if it is not perfect. The court proceeding is moving at a very slow pace, and 
the operation cost is too high. However, Mrs. Rodley believes that this is a 
price to pay for international justice.

[While the US is aware of the high operation cost, the US is not providing much 
funding to this hybrid court either in my humble opinion. I couldn’t help but 
wonder why it is so?]

At that point, Dr. Leakhena Nou came to the podium to make announcements about 
the KRT. To me, it was very refreshing to hear Dr. Nou’s opening remark where 
she clearly stated that the KRT is a joke. To her, the proceeding of the court 
is total mystery for ordinary people, let alone for her, a scholar in this 
field. She encourage all those who still want to file complaints to contact her 
organization at: http://www.asriconline.com

What is the current situation in the clearing of mine fields?

I was surprised to hear her mentioning that, currently, the K-5 belt minefield 
is being worked on. [The K5 plan was concocted by Vietnam during its occupation 
of Cambodia and implemented by the People’s Republic of Kampuchea under the 
leadership of Messrs. Heng Samrin, Chea Sim and Hun Sen, the current leaders of 
Cambodia. This plan was the biggest resentment among the Cambodians against the 
PRK because of its detrimental policy (For additional information about the K5 
plan: 
http://dompols.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=80:the-k5-plan&catid=51:cambodia-&Itemid=53)]

She indicated also that the number of casualties is lower, but mine clearance 
will take a long time.
Any comment on Mu Sochua’s case?

No comment as the case is still in court.

Why isn’t there a DEA office in Cambodia?

Because Cambodia does not have enough a big drug problem.

[My contention on this issue is that Cambodian drug does not the US shore in 
large quantity yet for it to justify the presence of a DEA office in Phnom 
Penh. However, for other countries, such as Australia for example, that are 
affected by drug smuggling from Cambodia, there is a tighter police and drug 
enforcement cooperation on this issue.]

[Unfortunately the meeting with Ambassador Rodley came to an end at that point. 
Although I brought with me a printed copy of your readers’ questions to Mrs. 
Rodley, I was not able to raise any of them due to the structure used for the 
question session, i.e. the questions must be submitted in writing. At the end 
of the talk, I approached Mrs. Rodley and handed her the questions raised by 
KI-Media readers. While I am almost certain that she will read them, I don’t 
expect to see nor hear any reply from her any time soon. Nevertheless, a copy 
of them is in her hands.]
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