Dear Khemarak Kheng, Thank you very much for your suggestion. I know it's a sincere one.
However I like to repeat again that I`ve never said Vietnam has always been good to Cambodia. And I like to repeat again that what I argue against is the accusation that Vietnam trained or ordered the Khmer Rouge to commit the genocide against their own people the Cambodian people. One of my arguments is, if we blame on other nations for the Khmers killing the Khmers, we send a wrong message to other Khmers that it`s ok to kill other Khmers; the message is, you`re not at fault when you kill other Khmers, it's the fault of other nations. I've not been arguing against those Khmers who hate Vietnam for other reason(s). Sincerely, Pheng Kim Ving On Aug 20, 9:18 am, "Kheng, Khemarak" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Pheng Kim Ving, > I am glad that you have refrained yourself from being too harsh to Lok KC. > I sense that you have good heart and intention about our homeland, and proud > to have you in the forum. > Your opinion about Cambodia situation is honest and unpolluted thought. > However, as a forum member may I suggest you one thing? > Please kindly careful when voicing your opinion about Cambodia; > you honest and life-long grateful thinking may ruin the benefit of our > Motherland instead of helping her. > As time goes on in your journey of life tackling with more difficult > challenges; you may then > turn around and appreciate my sincere suggestion. > > With Warm Regards, > > K2 > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Khoar Chev > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > > សូមអរគុណបងសកាវាទ៍! > បើមានលោកអ្នកខ្លះមិនទាន់ស្គាល់រូបភាពដូចម្ដេចទៅដែលគេហៅថាសត្វយោគីយោគានោះ > សូមពិនិត្យអោយច្បាស់ចុះ! > > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) > > --- On Thu, 8/19/10, sacrava <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: sacrava <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:05 PM > > [cid:[email protected]] > ធម្មតាសត្វយោគីយោគា គឺចាំបាច់ត្រូវតែយឹតយោងគ្នាអញ្ចឹងហើយ! > សូមបងសកាវាទ៍ ជួយបង្ហាញរូបសត្វយោគីយោគាអោយគេបាន > ស្គាល់ផងបានទេ? > > Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) > > --- On Thu, 8/19/10, cppamerican cppamerican > <[email protected]</mc/[email protected]>> wrote: > > From: cppamerican cppamerican > <[email protected]</mc/[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: What's Wrong?? It's Hatred > To: [email protected]</mc/[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 5:02 PM > លោក kangaroo មានយោបល់ដូចខ្ញុំបេះបិទ !សូមគាំទ្រ!! > Sorry I can't write in English > > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > The killing itself was done according to their ideology. It was not a > > Vietamese orchestrated events as many people have been trying to tell > > the world. I just want to point out that Cambodians like that lack of > > self responsibility. They blame everything on others, and portrait > > themselves to be victims. The facts show clearly how the Khmer Roiuge > > did it. > > They went along with their ideology and their teachers taught them. > > They wanted pure society. First, they killed intellectual. Then they > > killed the rest except those who were embedded into their new society > > purely, mainly children. > > > However, Khmer Rouge was so smart to fight the war with very little > > that they had. The biggest part of their puzzle was the motivation > > from the peasants. They promote that group of people by inciting them > > to hate those who were in the upper class. They hated so much. That > > was why they fought and fought to win. Finally they had the > > opportunity to revenge. They killed and killed and killed endlessly. I > > don't know you remember it or not. Khmer Rouge elevated the poor > > peasant class to be the upper class of the society. They could do not > > wrong. They were the heart and sould of the Kampuchea communist > > revolution. > > > It is very wrong to say that Vietnamese orchestrated all of that. > > > On Aug 19, 2:16 am, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello cppamerican cppamerican, > > >> Thank you. > > >> Now, I like to point out one aspect. The Khmer Rouge didn't kill just > >> the capitalists, the members of the old regime, and those who opposed > >> them (no one dared to oppose them openly during their regime). They > >> killed indiscriminately. They planned to massacre all the Cambodian > >> people who didn't live under their control during the civil war, > >> whether you were a cabinet minister or a sikhlo driver in the previous > >> regime. > > >> Pheng Kim Ving > > >> On Aug 18, 8:19 am, cppamerican cppamerican <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >> > សូមគាំទ្រការអត្ថាធិប្បាយរបស់់លោកPheng Kim Ving! > >> > វាពិតណាស់ ការសម្លាប់រង្គាលក្រោមរបបកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ > >> > គឺមកពីខ្មែរមកពីពួកខ្មែរក្រហមជ្រុលនិយមខ្លួនឯងហ្នឹង មានផែនការឆ្កួតលីលា > >> > ដោយពួកគេចង់បានសង្គមមួយស្អាតស្អំល្អឥតខ្ចះ > >> > យោងទៅតាមពួកនេះ គឺពួកគេត្រូវកម្ចាត់ឲ្យអស់នូវខ្មាំងសត្រូវ > >> > អ្នកប្រឆាំងបដិវត្ត ពួកនាយទុន ពួកសក្តិភូមិប្រតិកិរិយា > >> > ជាពិសេសគឺការធ្វើសង្រ្គាមវណ្ណះ។ ការទម្លាក់កំហុស ទៅលើបរទេស > >> > ថាដែលជាអ្នកញុះញុងបណ្តាលឲ្យមានការសម្លាប់រង្គាលនោះ គឺមិនអាចទទួលយកបានឡើយ > >> > ។ > > >> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Re:http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc/browse_thread/thread/c159a7a28... > > >> > > Suorsdey Loork Khoar Chev, > > >> > > I have to disagree with you when you say the killings (genocide) > >> > > should be blamed on the Viets, Sihanouk, and the Khmer Rouge. I > >> > > firmly believe that the Khmer Rouge and the Khmer Rouge alone bear > >> > > responsibility for the killings. The reason is, during the genocide, > >> > > the Khmer Rouge leadership and the Khmer Rouge leadership alone had > >> > > total control over the country. The Khmer Rouge leadership didn't > >> > > include Sihanouk. If Vietnam had ordered or encouraged the Khmer Rouge > >> > > leadership to commit the genocide against their own people the > >> > > Cambodian people, the Khmer Rouge leadership could simply have > >> > > disobeyed the order or ignored the encouragement. > > >> > > It's important to point out that no Khmer Rouge leader, be it Pol Pot > >> > > or Ieng Sary or Khieu Sampahan or even Duch, has ever accused Vietnam > >> > > of training or ordering or encouraging them to commit the genocide. > >> > > It's interesting to notice that the UN and the international community > >> > > have never accused Vietnam of playing a part in the genocide. Even the > >> > > US, who was hostile to Vietnam for having invaded Pol Pot's Kampuchea > >> > > to destroy his regime, for quite some time after the invasion, has > >> > > never accused Vietnam of being involved in the genocide. > > >> > > My family and I escaped to Vietnam in about mid-August 1975, not in > >> > > April 1975. So I lived for about 4 months under the Khmer Rouge > >> > > regime. Although this may not be a very long time, I already witnessed > >> > > by my very own eyes the cruelty of the Khmer Rouge. At the very > >> > > beginning: they entered Phnom Penh and won the civil war about noon of > >> > > 17 Apr 1975, (I together with other people applauded them, not because > >> > > we welcomed their victory, but because we believed the war ended and > >> > > we were happy about that), at about 2:00 pm the very same day, they > >> > > started to force people out of the capital; my family (of course > >> > > including me) and all the people in my area were forced out at about > >> > > 11:30 pm; yeah, in the middle of the night. And that was only the > >> > > beginning. > > >> > > It's not accurate to say that I love the Viets more than the Thais. > >> > > It's accurate to say that I experienced myself the facts that the > >> > > Viets treated the Cambodian refugees as human beings while the Thais > >> > > treated the Cambodian refugees as street dogs. Thus it's accurate to > >> > > believe that I like the Viets and dislike the Thais for t > >> > > heir treatments of the Cambodian refugees. However I'm still grateful > >> > > to Thailand for accepting Cambodian refugees, although unwillingly; it > >> > > was the UN and the international community especially the US who urged > >> > > it to do so and who paid for the costs of handling the refugees. > > >> > > In Toronto Canada where I now live, a racial group (I won't specify > >> > > who they are, for fear of being accused of racism and more seriously > >> > > for fear of putting myself in a possible danger) constitute only about > >> > > 10% of the population, but they commit about 90% of the reported > >> > > crimes. According to people who live here for 30 years or more, this > >> > > has been going on for at least about 30 years now. Why don't they > >> > > change themselves and abandon the lives of crime?? Because their > >> > > community leaders always blame on other races particularly the Whites > >> > > for the ills and the crimes of their members. They never look in the > >> > > mirror and try to find out what's wrong with them. This attitude of > >> > > the leaders is a license for the members to continue to commit crimes. > > >> > > Similarly, the Khmers who blame other nations for the Khmers killing > >> > > the Khmers have the same attitude as the leaders of the above- > > ... > > read more » > > image001.jpg > 639KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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