> i was wondering if someone out there knows if i put unexposed paper on the
> floor of a camera, and it is somewhat covered, like in a pouch / sleeve, if
> there are chances that it will either be exposed by long exposure to light,
> or it will somehow block the paper that is being exposed?
 John,
You need to spend an afternoon in Tijuana brother.
The reason for this is that all along the main drag Avenida del Revolucion
you will see burros painted with white zebra stripes attached to decorated
wagons. Near by will be three guys and a funny painted wooden box on a
tripod. The box is wooden, the lens on the front is from old Kodaks. Inside
are a box of photo paper and two rectangular tin boxes hanging below.

These men take photos of tourists wearing dumb hats with "Drunk again"
"Borracio" "El gringo" on them. They shoot paper negatives, The sides of the
cameras have safelight glass and they look through the backs at a film plane
about 8-10 inches inside the camera. I think there must be a piece of glass
in there. They check the framing, focusing is by hyperfocal distance, and
then cover the lens, place a piece of photo paper in the film plane, holding
it there with a hinged piece of wood. Take the photo--about 2-5 seconds.

They process it right in the camera. Developer and then fixer. (if you fully
develope you won't get fixer swirls) Then they place the neg on a board in
front of the lens, stick a close-up diopter lens over the camera lens and
copy the negative to get a positive.

in the last photo we had done the donkey/zebra was added with a cut out
piece of negative added to our negative. The donkey was there, he was just
out of focus--he always is out of focus.

You come back after about 20 minutes to pay the $5 and get your two
pictures. The third guy then offers you 3-5 more photos for $10. It's always
good to haggle a little and give them an extra $2 for 1-2 more.

And always in the little framing folder they put the photo into it says
"Souveneir of Tijuana Mexico" and "If you don't like the picture blame the
ass"

To make a long story have a point. I would think that if you wanted to risk
it keeping film in at least two halves of a three part photo box would
probably work. If you have a ground glass-Keep your darkcloth over the back
of the camera as much as possible.
A good compromise would be inside the two halves add a platform of black
cardboard that would raise the film off the bottom. This way if any light
leaked down into the box it wouldn't have much chance of bouncing up into
the film.

Your box with the spring lid is better idea I think. I have a paper safe in
my darkroom facing the door to my backyard bathed in hot California sun.
I've never ever had a problem-except when I've left a test strip keep the
door open. A black plastic photo paper pouch would probably also work-but
might block your exposures.

You really should check out the TJ guys though. I wonder if there's a
website about this type of photography. Someone could make a great movie
about the first guy who painted stripes on his burro. He must have
monopolized all the business for a day or two.
 (btw the burros are well treated. They don't even pull the cart to and from
the barn. One of the men do it.)

---William Nettles 

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> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:07:12 -0700
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> Subject: Cameramakers digest, Vol 1 #295 - 2 msgs
> 
> hi again
> i was wondering if someone out there knows if i put unexposed paper on the
> floor of a camera, and it is somewhat covered, like in a pouch / sleeve, if
> there are chances that it will either be exposed by long exposure to light,
> or it will somehow block the paper that is being exposed?
> 
> also ...  i am trying to design some sort of device that will be on the rear
> standard inside the camera to hole paper to be exposed.  any suggestion as
> to what i should do?  at first i was thinking of a pressure plate and a leaf
> spring, but now i am thinking more of just 2 or 3 "edges" that the paper
> just "fits" into.
> thanks in advance for your help!
> - john 

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