I cite _why, the entirely irrelevant man who we suppose to have started this whole sordid affair:
20:11 <goalie> can camping do e-commerce? 20:11 <_why> no, use rails 20:11 <RangerCliff> heh wtf? 20:13 <goalie> it's just a small store, we only have two products 20:13 <goalie> root beer lip balm and cream soda lip balm 20:13 * _why contemplates 20:14 <goalie> mail-order only 20:14 <_why> now you're talking!! Here's where I should write something about morals and us both being right and all that, but, well, I guess you're right. Go, e-commerce the universe! Run wild and free on the starlit campgrounds, selling your doodads and trinkets! So long as they're mail-order only. — Jenna On 24/08/2010, at 1:11 PM, Philippe Monnet wrote: > Well it's your prerogative to choose to only use it only for creative > purposes. I enjoy that too ;-) > But we're all free to use Camping as we see fit - there is no right or wrong > way. > So I feel that inclusion and freedom to build anything is maybe part of my > view of the "philosophy". > I wonder how Yoda would put this in his own word ... :-) > > Philippe (@techarch) > > On 8/23/2010 8:27 PM, Bluebie wrote: >> >> My attitude towards using camping for serious business mostly stems from >> being burnt by rails. I practice coding as an extension of creativity, not >> as a job, and rails has enormous hosting costs for someone with no income. I >> initially started using camping as it could run well as a CGI script on the >> cheapest grungeist web hosts. >> >> Capitalistic forces have largely taken over the once gloriously creative >> practice of hacking, and turned it in to little more than data entry jobs, >> with all it's best practices, unit tests, and all the rest. Camping to me is >> special because it's all about creation, and not about fitting in to a >> certain task or "market". This is entirely self destructive though in the >> long term for businesses too, as tools which are unusable by the poor are >> tools which are unusable in the future. Students don't have software >> dollars. Though as an open source project we owe nothing to capitalism. We >> have no business propping up commerce. >> >> Rails is a great tool for building medium to large business applications and >> so my preference is that we entirely ignore that which drives 'marketed' >> frameworks, and focus on what we're really good at — making fun awesome >> hacks, and teaching the next generations. Little doodads for the sake of >> themselves. Thoughts? :) >> >> — >> Jenna / @Bluebie >> >> On 24/08/2010, at 11:47 AM, Philippe Monnet <r...@monnet-usa.com> wrote: >> >>> I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I consider >>> myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of the background >>> on Camping (even though I have read quite a few materials, books, posts, >>> videos, etc. about _why's contributions. >>> >>> For me, I love Camping because: >>> � - it is small >>> � - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did not >>> know about Ruby metaprogramming >>> �- the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps >>> �- it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility points you >>> need >>> �- creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable >>> �- you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I don't >>> subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel Camping is about >>> freedom to build whatever you want) >>> �- you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen if >>> you like it so much you want everything to be built with it. >>> �- it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use it for >>> (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea) >>> >>> Philippe (@techarch) >>> >>> PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment >>> section of the book >>> � >>> >>> >>> On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote: >>>> >>>> The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page >>>> called 'Philosophy', which was inherited from Judofyr's version. I keep >>>> meaning to create this article, but I'm increasingly wondering... >>>> >>>> What do we all feel is Camping's philosophy? >>>> >>>> My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and >>>> certainly isn't serious business. I think it's also for newbies, including >>>> kids, because that's what nearly all of _why's projects were for. >>>> >>>> But that's very past tense. I'm not sure anymore. What do you all see >>>> camping as being? What's it's purpose for you? >>>> >>>> >>>> � >>>> Jenna >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Camping-list mailing list >>>> Camping-list@rubyforge.org >>>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Camping-list mailing list >>> Camping-list@rubyforge.org >>> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Camping-list mailing list >> Camping-list@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list
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