I understand your position, but we consider several points:
1.-The Software is a little dreams, and the proyect is this dreams in the
real life
2.-Ideas Exist, the passions moves this Ideas
3.-If the technology aid not to improve the cares of the health, does not
have sense, and to diminish stress of the involved ones in serving does not
have sense, is not important.
The project must grow and to look for of objective way a new horizon.
We now several projects that receiving much support one of them is
OPENVISTA.
but the technology behind that project nonaid much.
you mention that CARE2X is a project for the Web. And it was thought for the
Web.
I do not discuss that point but I invite to give a breathing and one to you
transfucion to the project.
and you are not scared, the facility of installation depent of the great
equipment of development that lives near the idea.
the passions are good, whenever you are owner of them, are bad when they
enslave to us.
On 8/22/07, Robert Meggle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Nicaury,
>
>
>
> Java is a nice, (mostly) platform independent language but will rise some
> other real troubles what you can see on other developments having really
> troubles now. The basic idea of care2x is to have a web based application,
> can be really easy changed to the front-end what meets the requirements of
> the user.
>
>
>
> On the opposite you can see java as application framework, where you have
> a feeling of handcuffed design freedom….
>
>
>
> Sometimes there is a crystal ball and a fortune teller needed to be sure
> that the language (here: PHP) and the integration way (here: OOP //
> frameworks) is used in the next 10 years. I count on statistics… so e.g.
> NEXEN, a French website who greps the net to build some of it:
>
>
> http://www.nexen.net/chiffres_cles/phpversion/17286-php_stats_evolution_for_june_2007.php
>
> According to that statistics 33 % of webservers worldwide are using PHP
> (or it's installed). So we can say that PHP is popular, there are millions
> of developers worldwide what are able to migration work.
>
> 2/3rd of it running PHP4 by the way (june 07)
>
>
>
> Funny: I can remember to the "news" 11 years ago where netscape decleared
> HTTP as "death" and will be replaced with the follower IIOP (no joke, we are
> now back at 1996: http://wp.netscape.com/columns/techvision/iiop.html) who
> knows today about IIOP, not even wikipedia knows that speculation 11 years
> ago abut "future of computer languages"! J
>
> I will not argue that just PHP will be available also in 10 years, but
> listen to the history of IT: Not the best will survey, the most public will
> make the run …because then we would not have Perl nor Visual Basic
>
>
>
> Let's talk a bit about the realization way, a little bit about object
> orientation and also to give Sven an answer to his great hymn that his
> webERP is even running everywhere… J There are many developers today avoid
> using object orientated ideas, even in bigger projects. Well, object
> orientation is not really more potent than procedural programming, but quite
> easier to enlarge/simplify by having low maintenance on the same level. On
> the other hand there are other well known and strong PHP applications not
> using OOP, e.g. Drupal (
> http://api.drupal.org/?q=api/file/developer/topics/oop.html/6) . Reason
> was that PHP4 had OOP, but in an inadequate way. PHP5 improved it more to
> the level of java, but they had to change some internals on exactly that
> level.
>
>
>
> We have to think big: PHP6 will be ready 2008, what we need is an
> language what is spoken worldwide, platform independent, what will also run
> on quite small servers with really low resource requirements but fulfilling
> even academic level that universities are interested in to focus it to their
> researches and disciplines. PHP is in my eyes the best compromise to fulfil
> all of those visions.
>
>
>
> Our Intentions now to introduce a framework was to have more affectivity
> to the programming work without paying a price due stability – to go one
> step to the directions of having "Enterprise" level and not producing
> "Spagetti code" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code) when there
> are too many requirements overwhelm us. Since now, the use of PHP4'th OOP
> and the work of release manager saved us for such death-traps, now we want
> to think big of introducing frameworks. There are many of possible
> frameworks such as Seagull, Zend, Symphony… just to have the most popular
> ones. The differences between all of these frameworks are mostly if they
> have MVC architecture (Model-View-Controller-Modells -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller ) and how you are
> confined to it.
>
>
>
> Latter argument (the need of MVC) I would discuss here.. I hope there will
> be some comments J
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Von:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Im Auftrag von *Nicaury
> Benitez
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 22. August 2007 15:07
> *An:* care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Cc:* Claudio Giulio Torbinio - Email
> *Betreff:* Re: [Care2002-developers] Why not Php5 and beyond?
>
>
>
> We have been from the birth of care2x and have seen its evolution, are
> many of us who worked in the community of active way, at the moment in the
> list the third generation is discussed and still for this date the project
> does not have the amount of necessary implantations everywhere is possible
> to make a considerable change and to migrate our ideas and concepts to a
> platform that allows that we grow with time? It is possible JAVA?
>
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